sorry posted without looking at previous 2 posts

abdul is young and improving. He has plenty of mistakes in him but also plenty of good stuff. He has a better skillset than ellis but is likely to be less consistent. I'd agree that as a pairing your halves aren't likely to be good enough to get you promoted but I'd guess that a new half part way through the season is probably on the cards.

It's subjective I know but Salter is not soft defensively but totally soft offensively at SL level. In his case, it's not that he's disinterested, he just fails to deliver on necessary offensive capability because he hasn't really got any outstanding or intuitive offensive smarts in that centre position.



He's played a fair few first team games now and I am yet to see him live up to his expected offensive potential. Don't want to get hung up on semantics, but in this instance soft = unsavvy and disinterested = underperforming.



Fortunately for Thomas Minns, Liam Salter's injury last year gave him the opportunity for an extended run at right centre and Minnsies performance and scoring return there reinforced Salter's offensive shortcomings, enhanced Minnsies reputation and showcased his superior all round game and skilkset.



I am not a Salter fan, nor Horne either.

Nowt. You can pee in it, take it to bed with you and save money on a hot water bottle. If only Carlsberg did financial planning for skinflints.....

Kelly was lazy when he played last season, Thornley was disinterested, Tilse lacked power (can't remember him EVER breaking a tackle and his so called offloads were hit and miss when he did them), Marsh was impatient as were many others and the whole team bombed chances to punish teams when the opposition made mistakes. Shall I go on?

Good post and for me Clarkson allgood green Horne (odd time fit)Kelly stunk for most part but when good was very good.i liked campo but was never fit.again tilse gets pelters but many more gave much less and evaded criticism. Had too many lightweight forwards and 3 big earners rarely played together. Minns was a positive Blair tried hard. We were not the worst team last year but Webster was a a very poor coach and for me was the pivotal bad decision in a list of bad decisions

Allgood wasn't bad and played injured but he was never good enough for to be a top earner, Campo looked ok when he first came back and lasted a game or 2 but was pitiful in the last few games, lacked any creativity and guile. Overall our kicking game last year was dreadful. Campo and Kelly (one or so 40-20 aside) didn't seem to understand how or when to put an attacking kick, a high bomb or a grubber in. Don't know if it was training or set plays that lacked but we just looked headless anywhere near the oppo line and with HB as coach that's disappointing.



For me Thornley, Green, Clarkson, Campo (when he played) and Kelly were lacking in either effort or application, Mantellato was clearly injured, Sio underused and Cockayne not good enough for the position he played. Add into that the decision to put Horne into centre in the last game and its a perfect storm.

In sio we probably had best right winger in league but all we used him for was exit sets.mantellato being injured large part of season was very costly And we would probably sneaked a couple more wins with him kicking. Comparing the outside backs to last year we do look to have bit more speed this time around Heffernan looked rapid and Moss certainly is.Quinlan Minns are Quick oakes/Butler flem iv not seen much of.add in salter cockayne Shaw and Hodgson and it looks very good.if our porky half's have quick hands and put it wide sharp we should see lots of long range try's?

OK thanks. Tbf I think you look better this year

2016 wasn't mainly down to individuals, IMO. Obviously Campse's injuries and Kelly's issues didn't help, but it wasn't a hugely strong squad.



If players are simplistically rated out 10 for quality within super league, a strong team might have one top 9- or 10-rated star, a handful of 8s, plenty of 7s and 6s, and a few 5s making up the numbers/developing.



We didn't have enough 8s and 7s and had too many 6s and 5s instead. Being a 6 doesn't mean a player is soft or disinterested or deserving of blame or couldn't contribute to a successful team effort - it is an issue when he's surrounded by almost nothing but other 6s and 5s though. Chuck in a cack pre-season and we were in trouble from the get-go.



All that said, we went down by the finest of margins, and a lot of those SL 6-rated players will be 8-rated in the championship and maybe 6.5-rated against the weaker SL teams if/when we play in the middle 8s.

I'd say the demise started well before 2016. Relegation has been on the cards for a few years.



It's simply down to bad recruitment of both players and coaches and bad luck with injuries. Although that could be classed as bad recruitment.

We had definitely started to stagnate as a club before 2016 but to say that relegation has been on the cards for a few years is garbage. Relegation wasn't reintroduced until the 2015 season. We ended the middle 8s 7 from 7 so relegation was never a serious possibility. Prior to that I think the last year of relegation was 2009. We finished 4th that season.



To put our demise simply down bad recruitment is massively over simplistic and I would expect that the club will have undertaken a far more forensic investigation.



Apart from that your post was pretty accurate.