I am not satisfied with where we are but understand the reasons why,I have been pitching up to watch the club since February 1962 & have seen good bad & utter rubbish played home & away thats what I expect, some good some bad. It is not my right I don't deserve good or bad it just happens, its sport, thats the way it is. Mr Hudgel might have hight ambitions & I hope he gets them but it is not our right, there are 13 other teams trying thier best with varying results, We are where I expected us to be having lost by far the best half in the competition & rebuilding the team over the closed season. I also expect our side to finish around 7th or 8th. I just get fed up of the same old faces expecting instant results without the hard work & effort that is usualy required to advance & improve. The side that our coach has built will come good & it will come sooner if we all give them & the club our full suport.

It's my right after spending £230 quid on a pass, £45 on a shirt, £2.50 on matchday programmes, spending money behind a bar, getting to and from home and away matches to have my right of say whether you like it or not. And I've seen good and bad since my first game in 1979, the past doesn't bother right now, it's the now that I'm bothered about. And I hope your right about the team coming good, what this debate about is if Sandy is up to the job. He clearly isn't.

Neil Hudgell possibly.

I agree mate you have every right to expect better how long do we give the coach 2 more games 6 more or what

I want the board to act now! Whats the point of dragging things on longer than necessary. Tho, it's up to Hudge. The longer he stays and fester's at our club, the more money he will lose. I know a fair few fans who already stay away from home games because he's in charge.

Based on current form there is zero chance of you finishing below Catalans and London. Neither team look able to buy a win.

False. Sport isn't some kind of coin flip and sometimes your up and sometimes your down. There are many definable reasons for good and poor form. And you don't need me to tell you this. If fans want to discuss these factors, that is unquestionably their right. And yours for that matter.

I dont think the people who are saying Sandercock needs to go necessarily have ambitions that are beyond our team. For the past 3 years we have been a 7-9th placed team. Is it really unreasonable to have ambitions to break into the top 6 after that time, with the coach now having had the chance to build his own team, structures etc. Our defence has been awful for far too long and its going to keep costing us games, CS clearly cant fix it. Ok so we might beat the lower teams, finish 8th and lose the first playoff game but I cant see us achieving any more under our current coach. He has had enough time, change is needed for us to progress on the field to match our off field growth.

None of them have anything to do with how 'deserving of better' we perceive ourselves to be though. What we want or will accept is more relevant, but as long as the players and coaches are trying their best, we can't add wronged to disappointed.

Easy for me to say, in some respects I know! Going to see us vs Bradford next week though!

I think we all know we're not gonna win the grand final,we know we're not likely to win the likes of Leeds and Wigan away.But we also know that on paper this team shouldn't be shipping 30+ points every game and look like we're gonna concede every time the ball goes out wide.

Falls off chair.







Exactly. The stats against Cas were ridiculous, something like twenty odd sets in their half as opposed to Cas having about eight in ours.



Sandercock identified the problem in November 2011, the fact it's still a probelm indicates he can't solve it.



Part of a coaches remit is to improve individuals, one of our major problems is our centres defensive reads and the patterns they've been coached to (I actually think it's wider than that and also involves our second rowers not sliding and people not covering for them when they've been invovlved in the tackle) Welham has gone backwards at an alarming rate. From being on the cusp of the England squad two years ago to probably not making the seventeen if everyone was fit is some slump. Salter hasn't looked the player he did last year either.



The team was always going to take time to gel, but it was Sandercock's decision to have such a large squad overhaul (personally I don't think you should bring in more than three or four new players each year) I'll give him a little more time, but a shellacking in The Derby and I think the axe will fall.

if we don't win the next two he should be out, neither one will be easy though with our dodgy defence.