Don't think you are. He was told by Disco Dave under the sticks to respect the ball more but seemed to make a lot of excuses.

Sheens warned the players and they they still turned up half cooked.

Poor Oakes never got a pass.

There's an argument lawler was trying too hard for quick play the balls and gain some momentum, so you could say he had a stinker trying to get on the front foot and make something happen. He also had a number of good carries once he calmed down and scored.



Don't think the same can be said for Ellis.

I know I was not at the game because I do not get to many if any, so I am glad for forums like this one all I can say is a win is a win and I hope when we reach the 8s we get the wins we need and get back to super league

A Sunday afternoon of my life I won't get back. Hang over from a tough Easter programme? A ref who allowed the opposition to niggle & disrupt play? or a bunch of young players who are not as good as they think they are? To me a bit of all that. I noticed that every time we got a penalty or scrum Lunt was having to explain what was going to happen, that should be sorted at training. Or did they get that frustrated at being unable to get fast play the ball or take quick penalties (the ref always stopped them taking quick kicks) that some just lost their cool? What ever Tim Sheens must get an experienced couple of old heads into that squad quick.

ellis isn't very good. Never has been and never will be. championship is his level. I'd imagine sheens has another half in mind for the middle 8's

As a team we need to be smarter, Rochdale are a horrible niggly bunch who's strength is stopping the ball been played with any type of urgency. They lay on, obstruct and generally disrupt the flow of the game. AND WE LET THEM

We were dumb, the minute you see Mickymouseears is named as ref you know what the game will be like and should have been prepared for the forthcoming penalty feast.



I agree with Beverly Red with regard to Lunty, at the restart following his try, he was shouting at players where to stand and what to do with the return.Surely something from the training ground.



I think against opposition like Rochdale we need an old head to lead the younger players and stop the likes of Greenwood been suckered into his yellow card.

Dare I say, we really missed Scruton

Hang on, no one has mentioned the fact that Rockdale played pretty well, thought they played their own game and tried as much to disrupt us. For me they were one of the best teams to play us at home this season. Again their number 7 out shone Ellis, this has happened a few times this year against "lesser teams".

Yes we did miss Scruton I think he's been one of our best signings

I agree with most player assessments discussed so far.



The only players to emerge with any credit from yesterday's performance for me were Blair, Heffernan, Kavanagh, Lunt and Mulhern. The real stinkers were Ellis, Greenwood and Lawler (3 stupid handling mistakes at the tackle/ptb spoilt his strong running and sublime offload to Lunt).



Gary Middlehurst and John Davies of Fev are real niggly in your face types. Ablett and Wilkin similar at Leeds and Saints. We need a couple of these type of players in our squad methinks.



The rest just plain average.

I was heartened that we took the two.



Sounded bad on Humberside, and apart from Kavanagh, Heffernan and a couple of others Sheens mentioned, you could tell he wasn't impressed.



Still it's a win, and we've got a lot of injuries currently. The squad is big, but a lot are still in the early stages of their development as pros.



Some of the doziness is a worry, and I do think that for a small number of players there may be an element of complacency creeping in, in some games.

I agree they came to spoil and niggle, and did a good job of it, they were well drilled played some good set moves rugby as per first try if rovers had scored it they would still be shouting about it.

Give credits where it is due,we won once again, I agree played some dum rugby at times but could have scored at least 2 more tries, the Lunt break, Greenwood dropping it going over line another 12 points.

The wind was horrendous for both sides.

Start supporting instead if criticism I know you will say "I pay my money I can say what I think" all well and good but at the moment we have quite a few injuries, and are having to play the kids.

They don't need a load of crap being thrown at them

I don't think anyone is throwing crap, certainly not at the young players , some of which look very promising, the championship is slightly better than I and others anticipated and we are not as good, for me its the halves. we must sign a quality half if available for the important end of the season