It is the basics, and the basics are the minimum requirements at any level. I do not expect us in our first year to be serving up gold plated rugby week in week out. Neither do I expect us to win the majority of games. But I do expect any team to be able to commit to doing the basics well. The tackling was awful, they felt they could beat our line single-handed, and they could. It is not the result for me at the moment, as stated I am not expecting to win too many, it is the display.

For me it needs a clean sweep with experience coming in, Kerr or Noble for me.

I am approaching 50, have supported from when my age was in single figures, home and away. But I am now limiting myself to my season ticket only. I will not go to any cup games or away. I am prepared to see this season out but SOC needs to give us hope, let us see what the future can bring. At the moment I haven't a clue what is going on, either on or off the field.

If Betts is to be given time then the coaching staff need to earn their money, Get them organised, working as a team and giving their all. Do that and you may keep the crowd with you. Many more displays like that on Sunday and fans will walk...



Rant over

My opinion for what its worth is get rid of Betts and get in Simmons, ok we sacked him but i think he will do a good job for your club, correct whats been said tho its gona take time for Widnes to get up to the level of super league look at Catalans..... keep faith i for one am glad to see Widnes where they belong in the top flight

I don't see why not even if it is only till the end of season. Betts had a poor record in the Championship and I gave him the benefit of the doubt for Super League. Whether it's him or the players that aren't or both, we need to change to freshen things up because yesterday Widnes were so so poor.

im not knocking Betts but i think you need a coach who will get you doing the basics right and stop u letting so many points in, as early people have said the prob with getting hammered every week fans tend to stop attending games, im sure it will be a different story saturday cant see it being as one sided as people think

Not trying to play devils advocate, but are there any coaches that could do better with the current squad.



Royce Simmons,

Brian Noble

John Kear



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if it was up to me i wouldn't get another coach yet , i'd simply tell betts and cullen that they're not working and we need to nip it in the bud before the attendances plummet , and ask Terry o'connor to take over in a caretaker capacity until the end of the season.

I think you will find that there is a plan in place for next season and this one is just to get the SL wheels turning for Widnes. Thats the only plan I can see as the track record of Mr Betts in your last year of the Championship was dire to say the least. Also you kept quite a few of your championship side which anyone could see could not really compete in SL. If I was a Widnes fan and season ticket holder I would still attend the games in the hope that things will change for the better in your second year. Widnes have everything and more that is needed to be a SL side apart from some players and - if you ask me - a good coach. I cannot believe that the board and backers have not already targeted players and staff for next year.

So, everything needed to be a Super League side, apart from players and a coach?

It does seem to be our main problem the play of the ball. We're always on the back foot in defence with the opposition getting quick play of balls and in attack we're just too slow. When we actually have a decent platform for the more attacking players we're not totally clueless we're just not getting there often enough.

Look how many times our forwards are put on their backs by the opposition defence. It was most drives against Bradford.

what do you expect you only got into Super league by a hairs breadth. You won the Northern rail Cup Final against barrow with a handful of loanee players, then hardly won another game. What would have happened if you hadnt done that. You were nowhere near a Grand Final Appearance. Fev should be in Super league not Widnes.

Who do you support, sunshine?



Beyond reproach are you?