Fair play. You make some good points.

Credit to Mrs Barista as well. She's identified APs limitations with regard to financial resources. It's depressing to think that this is our level and we've got nothing to look forward to without either a silent investor or new owner turning up.

Does anyone remember the Sean McRae before Shane Richardson left and the one after

Chalk and Cheese

Richo was a beast of a Chairman

He demanded success from his Coach



AP is not like that at all - he’s an enabler at the moment

Almost inept

Well, you could say the same of the last 30 years, albeit we do have our most successful coach of that period at the helm, so who knows? Hope springs eternal. Lee has got us to Wembley *twice* of course and we were narrowly defeated by the eventual winners in the semi final this time so there are grounds for optimism given we have beaten the odds already. It's more fun being the perennial underdogs.

It may be more fun for you but its bloody awful to watch.

Not really. You never know what you'll get. Had some great moments this year IMO, just not quite enough of them.

It’s not as if Saints, Leeds, Wigan and Wire are spending double what we are though. It’s a sport governed by a salary cap.

What becomes crucial is your coaching staff. I don’t buy us being a level below the teams I mentioned.

Hull are a big club in Super League, and relatively well resourced. Any attempt to make us believe we should be happy with our lot just won’t wash.

Coaching is the X factor

Simple as that

We currently have the D- factor

According to Scott Taylor in today's HDM, we need to look at the bigger picture and be thankful we're clinging on to 5th place instead of cementing 2nd spot because we finished last season badly.

Well that's OK then.

What he doesn't grasp, is that the picture can change. The league is poor this year, and 2nd was easily achievable so the end goal should have been adjusted a quarter of the way through the season and make it the minimum expectation, not then revert back to top 5 as being a good year because we showed no friggin bottle or desire

it was the "as a leader" comment that made me laugh.

I think there are two points to this,



One at the start of the season most of us would have been overjoyed with a 5th place finish, but to be so close to a 2nd place and just throw it away is the really disapointting aspect.



Two, it isn't just about the league position, it is about the performances and entertainment and there has been too many shocking performances this year and the style of rugby apart from the odd game has been so boring.



Moving forward we need to try and finish the season positively starting with a win this week and then have a real go at the play offs, I don't mind getter beat at Wigan, Salford etc this season with our squad, but I want to have a big effort and go into next season with positive vibes.

I guess we just put 2019 in the "what could have been" pile and look forward to next year, but without new halves and/or attacking plays it could be more crash, bang, wallop.