Like what?

None of which alters the actual point I was making, that he's the opposite of "here for a holiday".

Like missing his work ethic. We don't have a large number of players waiting in the wings with the same commitment to work in defence, or for that matter the same technique. I also think he's been leading on the field well. Additionally I believe he is showing leadership off the field in the face of at times vitriolic criticism. I also believe he is a top role model for the younger players to look up to. Maybe he is guilty on occasion of entering the line when it might be preferable not to, but overall we would be a far worse team without him and he has been an excellent signing for Hull.

I wish he would take a bit more of a holiday by us rotating him so he can play 100% when he's on the field for the whole season.

Seriously is this the best picture of Long the BBC had? news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 446715.stm Looks like me in the Irish bar in Perpignan last year!!

Seriously is this the best picture of Long the BBC had? news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 446715.stm Looks like me in the Irish bar in Perpignan last year!!

Quote Big Dave T="Big Dave T"Seriously is this the best picture of Long the BBC had? news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 446715.stm [uLooks like me in the Irish bar in Perpignan last year[/u!! '" Definitely not going this year.....

Quote Big Dave T="Big Dave T"Seriously is this the best picture of Long the BBC had? news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 446715.stm [uLooks like me in the Irish bar in Perpignan last year[/u!! '" Definitely not going this year.....

I didnt have long hair and a dodgy eye when i went in there!!

Quote Big Dave T="Big Dave T"Seriously is this the best picture of Long the BBC had? news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 446715.stm Looks like me in the Irish bar in Perpignan last year!! '" He looks like an extra from One Flew Over the Cookoo's Nest

Quote Big Dave T="Big Dave T"Seriously is this the best picture of Long the BBC had? news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 446715.stm Looks like me in the Irish bar in Perpignan last year!! '" He looks like an extra from One Flew Over the Cookoo's Nest

I think most of those are problems we DO currently have, particularly the work ethic one. You say yourself that we don't have too many players with the commitment and technique he does, so you acknowledge the problem is there, and that would mean it appears he's not made a difference by bringing it out in his teammates or passed on enough of his technique/experience to others.



I'm not saying he's not been a good signing, I just think that he's also not without his faults and some go overboard on him and just how much he's doing for our team. Bottom line is that he's a part of a poor team, and is not exempt from criticism IMO.

long has been poor. He's been blighted by injuries and largely anonymous when he has played. Maybe he would have looked better if we had some kind of gameplan but he hasn't been anywhere near the level you would expect from a player earning what he is

Absolutely , we've got rid of the wasters supposedly , we've got Fitz the great pro to lead by example but we still only get up for a game if the other team throw in some head shots or the ref winds us up. Fitz is on a mission but he's proved everything he needs to to everyone and he's now proving to himself that he can still play the full 80 and make 60/70 tackles in a game at 34. Absolutely admirable but it's not proving to be effective in improving Hull FC is it? He , understandably , looks slow and knackered especially with ball in hand later in the game. Surely we can find work horses in the UK? It's flair , pace and skill we should be spending our money on. Don't get me wrong I want him in the team but it should really be on the coaches terms and a proper coach would not play him at 13 for 80 in this team.

God knows but happy it's only 2 games, he was starting to look good I thought.