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| Having just seen the video myself, I have to say with all the uproar i was expecting a hell of a lot worse. Imo contact was heading for chest until Simon head dips down, we see far worse unpunished tackles every week in every game, we still see cannon ball tackles go unpunished in live games. Ellis is committed to tgat tackle and the late drop of head is unfortunate and to late for ellis to pull out. I wouldn't be surprised if it's just a caution with ellis exemplary record but more likely 1 game egp. Mountain out of molehill spring to mind.
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| Quote Bal="Bal"I think he probably should have been sent from the field, yes. It's careless contact with the head from a strike, which is a red card offence. I think he will get Grade B, and get 2 matches, if he'd have been sent off Grade B, 1 match. Just my opinion.
The worst case scenario is that the disciplinary committee class it as reckless and upgrade to C, which is 3 matches, but I don't think you can class that as reckless.
Of course, we haven't seen the other challenge which is suppose to be as bad, if not worst.'"
1. It's not a strike. It's a tackle.
2. It's not careless. The tackle is aimed squarely at Simon's chest/arm and Simon's head dips into line at the last second.
3. There is no possible way Ellis could pull out of that tackle in time once Simon's head ducks down.
4. Interesting that the clip has only been shown in slow motion, which makes it look as bad as possible.
Sometimes stuff just happens and it's nobody's fault.
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| Quote Bombed Out="Bombed Out"Well aren't you a clever boy then.'"
Yup.
Quote Bombed Out="Bombed Out"No one but Ellis knows his intention but you certainly don't try to stiffle an off load with a straight arm. Unfortunately it's a facet I've seen creeping into Ellis's game as he tries to exert maximun force into collision.'"
It's not a straight arm.
Quote Bombed Out="Bombed Out"And just because fans of Hull or Wakefield disagree with you (yes people don't have to agree to the world according to kosh you know)
Doesn't make their opinion any less valid then yours or wrong.'"
If their opinion conflicts with available evidence it does.
Quote Bombed Out="Bombed Out"Try dealing with that instead of being condescending or insulting.
Just something else for you to consider.'"
I'd take that under advisement if you weren't being condescending.
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| Quote Kosh="Kosh"2. It's not careless. The tackle is aimed squarely at Simon's chest/arm and Simon's head dips into line at the last second.'"
I agree. I posted the picture earlier on that shows hit arm would have hit his chest if Simon's head had stayed at the same level.
However, he did, none the less make contact with the head as a result of an extended arm, and I think they will class that are a "careless strike to the head", which is Grade B.
I hope I'm wrong and your right.
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| If he kops a ban then it opens a can of worms as someone said what about the leeds tackle on the bin man? you see this nearly every week
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| Just a mistimed forearm in the face. You see this all the time in the NRL and at the most it ends with a penalty and a player being placed on report, the majority of the times the referee just tells the player to get on with it and play the ball, the video ref included .......Rugby is a contact sport believe it or not!
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| Quote Bal="Bal"I agree. I posted the picture earlier on that shows hit arm would have hit his chest if Simon's head had stayed at the same level.
However, he did, none the less make contact with the head as a result of an extended arm, and I think they will class that are a "careless strike to the head", which is Grade B.
I hope I'm wrong and your right.'"
i reckon you are right, but also hope we are both wrong!
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| Quote Bal="Bal"I agree. I posted the picture earlier on that shows hit arm would have hit his chest if Simon's head had stayed at the same level.
However, he did, none the less make contact with the head as a result of an extended arm, and I think they will class that are a "careless strike to the head", which is Grade B.
I hope I'm wrong and your right.'"
It's difficult to effect a tackle without extending your arms. In fact if you keep you arms down you're likely to get pinged for a shoulder charge.
It's always a dice roll with the Panel but it will be a bollox decision if they charge him at all IMO.
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| Quote Smiggs="Smiggs"Charged.'"
What grade?
(tried to find it on the RFL website but found nothing)
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| Quote pmarrow="pmarrow"A few things to consider.
1) The video has being shown to make Ellis look as bad as possible. At real speed I doubt it looks as bad as the video as it will show it is near impossible for Ellis to pull out. - =#FF0000Whether he can pull out or not, he still was aiming for and hit him in the face
2) Simon falls into Ellis's arm, it was aimed at the chest this means contact was accidental and not reckless.
=#FF0000Either way, the rule is no contact with the head.
3) Despite this, it is Ellis responsibilty going into the tackle to make sure he does not make contact with the head, he is unfortunate and unlucky to make contact but the reality is he has. =#FF0000As above I agree
4) Michael Carter is being a cry baby and obviousley using this situation as an attempt to have a dig at the rfl. The whole everyones against us thing is rather precious and makes him look stupid, his players wont have being angels every tackle this season. -=#FF0000 I agree. Really not what we want from our Chairman
All that said Ellis has a good record and a EGP and a one match ban is a fair result. - =#FF0000I'd like to have seen something done on field ( I can't actually remember whether we got a penalty but I didn't think so. We lost a player for a while as he was checked for concussion but Ellis isn't a dirty player so EGP is justified'"
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