Don't think as such gentle is bad attacking coach but what I know of it our structures are incredibly complicated. Ogre should for example should never be beyond the right of the posts, players have very set roles n even in a game we may be winning the tactics can change 4 times within a game. Sounds overly complicated to me, mainly on account I don't think a lot of our players have the intelligence for it. Which is why when our halves are out or disrupted we look so disjointed.

To make excuses for us last night don't think we'll have trained much last 2week's the way the turnarounds n travel have worked, combined with the distraction of the semi.

Still not good enough. What a disappointment this season is if we don't come up with something next week.

That's a point I made earlier in the season, and it was rubbished (including by yourself).



There have only really been 4 players I can think of who have actually been dropped for performances this year; Yeaman, Green, Arundel, and Seymour, and 2 of those have essentially been scrapping for the same position. Maybe Johnson? IMO there have been several others at least as deserving at various stages, and the possibility has to be considered that this could be contributing to the players' apparent complacency.

Look back at 2012.

Hull finish 6th with the 5th best defence and we finished 10th with the 6th best attack.

This year is pretty similar. You are 5th best defence we are 5th best attack (I am assuming we score more that 5 against Warrington which isn't a stretch).

Add them together and you have a side constantly pushing top 3/4 or higher.

I can personally only dream of us having that ability.

I actually think there is a lot to this point. I just fail to believe that Gentle is such a poor coach that he can't improve the deficiencies in our attacking play. Unless he has wedded himself to very complex structures and isn't willing to budge and is to stubborn to see the players aren't intelligent enough to enact his structural plays. Its a very fine line between being smart and innovative and being to complex for professional athletes to implement your ideas. The best managers have an ability to convey complex ideas in simple terms. Does Gentle have this ability, remember Peter our half's aren't Benji Marshall.

Gentle was a halfback himself wasn't he .

Yes playing for Mansfield I think

If there's a complexity of structure from our coaching staff our players on the park are doing a pretty good job of disguising it.

I don't see any complexity, just see us presently struggling with the fundamental basics.

He was,not sure how good he was, but the creative players often make the worst coaches. They fail to understand why players can't do what they could and have little tolerance for players with less skill and ability than they had.

Completely agree, there is a real issue with our basics. But you have to admit that we can't possibly play to a very basic attacking structure, as Agar managed to get this lot to execute 5 drives and a kick well at times.

He'll no doubt be laughing his cock off if he gets Wakey into the 8 at our expense.

Hope he does because we sure as hell don't deserve to make it.