The Saints players may feel the hits but they still got the 2 points and that's all that matters, think many on here are overrating our performance it was better and more entertaining than the dirge we've seen at home so far, but its still a long way off where we should be

Outstanding tonight. Constantly probing, and the best half back on display.

No lack of effort from Sneyd either.

They got the points but imo that saintteam tonight was dull and unimaginative, two kicks beat us, strange decisions to kick for goal in the second half after 3 sets attacking our line

Shows just how far off the required standard it was that it has probably improved tenfold but still has plenty more to do.

.....refs have been robbing us for forty years....pathetic. The reality is....

The 2 points are not all that matters. They weren't all that mattered after the Salford game, either:





IMO, nobody is rating our performance as anything special. People are just acknowledging that the team are at least now trying to play rugby, which is something plenty of us (including you) have been complaining about. It's movement in the right direction, so surely that's a good thing?



Clamouring for a better style of rugby and then complaining when the team try to provide it and don't instantly produce champagne rugby is unrealistic and unfair, IMO. There's bound to be teething troubles with such a dramatic change.

Frustrating yes, but certainly a more entertaining brand of rugby to watch.

Maybe I'm been over critical but does anyone think we actually won the forward battle tonight?

Yes they played the ref very well and layed offside but thought saints had better defensive line speed and aggression in the tackle for most of the match. We only seemed to step up to their level in the last 10mins in this respect. For most of the match we found it very difficult to make the hard yards down the middle. Credit to saints they did their homework on us and snuffed out Paea's usual effectiveness with their tactics. I think in some respects we were forced to play a more expansive game down the edges because they won the battle down the middle for 75% of the game. We are still lacking a bit of size and nastiness when up against the top teams even though you couldn't fault the likes of Ellis, Mini, and Sa tonight which makes the result tonight disappointing as you couldn't fault the effort on show.

Radford said a lot of the going out wide was on account of the ref not controlling the 10. Not exaggerating but the 10 in 1st half when under the cosh was ridiculous. Forwards being hit simultaneously as they caught the ball at times so the chance of forwards making any impact in those circumstances is nearly impossible . Joke ref

To many handling errors cost us tonight . If people want players dropped for errors than Talanoa is a must . Two new are a must for next season never mind one .

You are Shaun Wane and i claim my £5.

Surely low error/high set completion rugby is what sets out the great teams from the rest, it generally puts pressure on the opposition by its very nature, it should allow you to get into positions on the field where you don't need flambouyant rugby but just well thought out, structured attack to score.



The overly simplistic viewpoint of it's okay if we lose because we look exciting/are throwing the ball about being better than a boring win is wrong IMO, winning by its very nature builds all sorts of positives, losing does not. The sad fact is we were boring AND losing, then went to boring and winning and the Warry/Cas game another step forward that we have been aching to see.

knowing when to push and when to stick to basics to achieve the end goal is the job of the coach and the halves/on field generals.



sacrificing solid basics for flambouyancy and losing is no way to go as you lose so much more in the medium to long term.



Let's hope this is just a one off but the coach needs to balance things so that we aren't pushing too hard at the wrong times.

Talaonoa has been a revelation at centre, he made a few poor errors last night (3 I think, when on the wing), but Rankin and Mini made 2, should they be dropped?



Despite his errors Talanoa was still our most dangerous players, made numerous breaks particular when paired with Sa and Whiting (Who was excellent) in the last 20.



We certainly need to sign another centre, but I'd keep Talanoa there next season as he is just the type of centre we have lacked, with Sa and Logan as back ups.