Just like Senior. Add phil bailey as well but non made the shirt their own. The fact that a player like jamie Lyon cannot get a state shirt speaks volumes about the quality of Senior in real terms.

Hickey.

Agreed and Richard Owen, I know he's been unlucky with injuries but sky have been talking him up as an international for about three years and I think he's gash!

He made more mistakes than Morton in the cup game and we've had Morton done to pieces, unfairly I might add!!!!

Agreed. 6 months to get fit and no where near.

When I saw him I thought we'd signed Dave Hadfield the RL journalist.

Yer right there squire, Danny McGuire, Paul Wellens, I'm glad we never had the likes of those two at Wakey

My mate text me to say that radio Leeds were comparing him to Mark Tookey.

You can't come on here saying that in the land where Matt Blaymire is king!



You are correct though, the role of a fullback is every bit as much about attack as defence these days. The fact that we haven't scored a try from fullback against superleague opposition all season speaks volumes.

I think big gay Earl called him Tookey by mistake that's all. Tbh I enjoyed listening to Earl's co-commentary. Get him on the beeb instead of "Rob Burrow was like a supercar going into turbocharged."

Have to laugh, your resentment of any player who gains the remotest acclaim who didn't come through Wigan is barely hidden. Also as ever you miss the point.



Senior is the best British centre along with Gleeson of the last 15 years IMO.



Sadly he wouldn't make the top 20 in Australia.



I don't like the man and I accept he has a fairly straight game.



However neither of the above are his fault, he isn't to blame for the lack of SL centres is he. Further to that he's the only British centre I can think of who probably could have made a career in the NRL.



Had he changed nationality and the 5 or 6 centre ahead of him been killed in a freak accident. He would IMO ripped any British team to bits had he gained selection to the Kangaroos. This is because he's big enough, fast enough and smart enough to take most of the many chances he would get. The amount of chances no British centre has received since the days of Neil Fox.



It's not a case of how good Senior is or was, it's the sad fact that he is one of the few to even get close and considering the limitations of all the GB teams in the last 15 years that takes some doing.



HTH

Not sure where I miss the point you just back it up.



No body is saying it is his fault, just that he does not live with the best around, again something you acknowledge.



Physically like just about every other British SL player he is was and always has been light years behind the Aussies,



I would have loved to have him at Wigan he is an excellent domestic player, but in the International arena he has been nothing short of average.



All those big strong pace clever etc traits you mention are nothing compared to what the Aussies have had to offer. The players that get nowhere near rep shirts are still far superior to him.



Being around for 15 years and offering very little to shout about in all those years regards International performances highlights the above.



What him or anyone not playing for Wigan has nothing to do with it, I have listed several Wigan players that I do not get or never have. I think the Wigan bias in more your problem than mine old love.



I will add another McIllorum about to make his rep début, no ruck skills, no kicking game not especially fast good defence, Wigan struggle to score every time he is on the field. Compared to Riddell who was a true master at the ruck for leading his team round the park offers very little.

That's my point, had he gone to the NRL he probably would have been just about physically up to being an average NRL centre - he and Gleeson are the only two I can think of who could have done this. I think they would both have attained average.



However I believe these two to be so much better than the rest in SL that even as they are had they been in a line up of similar quality the the Aussies they would have performed pretty well at international level.



I think it s very hard, unfair and unwise to judge any British back of recent times to harshly. Virtually every game Senior has played in was lost in the forwards and the halves in the first 10 minutes so what chance any centre who needs to feed off possesion and tiring defences. I'd love to know how good some Aussie centres would look in that position - not great I suspect. It's easy to look good playing for Australia IMO.