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| Quote TRB="TRB"You may find that BW are the retained consultants for one or more of the 'alternative' sites which were removed from the draft LDF plans and are not supported currently by WDC.
Either way, it all goes to show that we must maintain our guard on all levels!'"
Yes, I think they most probably could be as well... good point!
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| Quote The Clan="The Clan"iA,
how much impact will these late changes have,
how much credibility will the consultants give the Residents Group
Will they bring the expected argument or is it possible they've got something up their sleeve.
My worry here is that for residents to pay a consultant £100+ per hour they must be confident that their money is being well spent.
Do they have some 'game changing' info that they want delivered in the most professional manner they can so as to ensure it derails the whole project?'"
We were expecting this, so they are not late changes, they are just gearing up for the Inquiry like we are and we are seeing more of their 'hand' as the start draws closer... however, we are not worried, but neither are we complacent and we just need to keep things real.
We don't think they have anything up their sleeve other than they are in league with another developer who had his site rejected under the LDF selection by Wakefield and they are promoting this site over the Newmarket site... and I hadn't thought, until TRB mentioned it, that it could be this developer that who is funding Barton Willmore! Although, some of the residents down Newmarket Lane are not short of a bob or two and still think, wrongly IMO, that this whole thing is a disaster for them and their houses will be worth nothing if this goes ahead! They are wrong... IMO!
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| Quote TRB="TRB"You may find that BW are the retained consultants for one or more of the 'alternative' sites which were removed from the draft LDF plans and are not supported currently by WDC.
Either way, it all goes to show that we must maintain our guard on all levels!'"
I looked through their website trying to find a possible reason why they would be interested in objecting to the Newmarket development but couldn't find anything, so I thought this could be a possible reason..
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Quote The Clan="The Clan"Does this document suggest a working relationship between BW and LCC on other developments and related enquiries, if so could they be here at the behest of LCC and not the residents?
docs.google.com/a/student.leedsm ... wdeQ&pli=1'"
No, Local Authority's have plenty of people who know planning well, they rarely use planning consultants, but do work alongside them when they are working with developers in their cities and towns... you don't think that Wakefield MDC and Yorkcourt's planning consultants are ignoring each other do you! 
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Quote The Clan="The Clan"Does this document suggest a working relationship between BW and LCC on other developments and related enquiries, if so could they be here at the behest of LCC and not the residents?
docs.google.com/a/student.leedsm ... wdeQ&pli=1'"
No, Local Authority's have plenty of people who know planning well, they rarely use planning consultants, but do work alongside them when they are working with developers in their cities and towns... you don't think that Wakefield MDC and Yorkcourt's planning consultants are ignoring each other do you! 
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| Quote Wakefield No 1="Wakefield No 1"I looked through their website trying to find a possible reason why they would be interested in objecting to the Newmarket development but couldn't find anything, so I thought this could be a possible reason..'"
I am sure they are interested because someone is paying them to be interested and that is ok, that is what their business is. I think you are both probably correct though!
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| Quote Inflatable_Armadillo="Inflatable_Armadillo"Will I be pointing this out to the planning inspector in the inquiry, of course I will, but equally lets not get too upset about Barton Willmore, they are a company, they employ good professional people to work on behalf of their clients and make money and profit for their business.
In this case they are working for some residents, so this is a position they take infrequently yes, but they can't be chastised for taking a brief and working on behalf of a paying client. It is similar to any lawyer or advocate who is hired to speak in defence of any clients, people have a right to be professional represented (and pay!) if they so wish and you can't have a go at the company for in effect working for a paying client. They don't have a conflict of interest, because Yorkcourt use a different planning consultancy, and you expect Yorkcourt to have a planning consultant... so there is no difference. Just because we disagree with them, doesn't mean that they are bad people or a bad company. They are working for a client, and they are paid to build and make a case on behalf of that client. Nothing more, nothing less!
PS. Their case in weak BTW, but you know that already!
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I understand the reality of it, but I'm also one of those idealistic fools who believe that hypocrisy is a bad thing, even when money is at stake.
My point was that there appears to be a credibility gap for this company to represent the NIMBY's and I still believe that to be the case.
That's all - I'm not trying to bring down the system! 
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| Just following Bren's hypocricy route;
These consultants COULD be working for a developer of one of the sites in the LDF, prior to it getting changed to include all of the Newmarket site?
So now because their sites are no longer part of the LDF, they are objecting (via consultants) to the development, simply because it, (the LDF) no longer involves them?
Isn't that all a bit childish and likely to set one developer off against another, and hey presto no developing ever gets done or it takes longer than for ever to ever get anything done?
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| Quote frenchdreadnought="frenchdreadnought"The title Wakefield Residents Interest Group makes me laugh.
Residents I have spoken to from areas such as Sandal, Crigglestone, Durkar, Walton, Crofton etc etc could either not care less about the proposed development or else think it good for the area as a whole re. jobs and amenities.
They are falsely trying to claim they represent a wider community than they actually do.'"
Unlike WTW who claim the stadium will benifit the whole district 
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| Quote binks="binks"Unlike WTW who claim the stadium will benifit the whole district
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I think that the Community Sports facilities are the items that will benefit the whole district more than the stadium element... even though I understand your comment is tongue in cheek! Having a floodlit 4G pitch, a second grass training/community pitch and the sports hall facilities are what make this scheme a true community development. Now that College Grove are ripping up the Football/Rugby Pitch and replacing it with an Olympic standard hockey pitch (blue with pink lines) then the district loses another all purpose grass surface (where many district RL final games are played) for a dedicated hockey only pitch. Other than the private schools in the district, where else are the community facilities in Wakefield?
When both GH & Newmarket hopefully gets built, then I wouldn't be surprised and would see no problem with Cas training at Newmarket on the 4G pitch during the winter when they would want to keep off the GH pitch, other than for matches.
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| Quote Inflatable_Armadillo="Inflatable_Armadillo"I think that the Community Sports facilities are the items that will benefit the whole district more than the stadium element... even though I understand your comment is tongue in cheek! Having a floodlit 4G pitch, a second grass training/community pitch and the sports hall facilities are what make this scheme a true community development. Now that College Grove are ripping up the Football/Rugby Pitch and replacing it with an Olympic standard hockey pitch (blue with pink lines) then the district loses another all purpose grass surface (where many district RL final games are played) for a dedicated hockey only pitch. Other than the private schools in the district, where else are the community facilities in Wakefield?
When both GH & Newmarket hopefully gets built, then I wouldn't be surprised and would see no problem with Cas training at Newmarket on the 4G pitch during the winter when they would want to keep off the GH pitch, other than for matches.'"
Correct it was tongue in cheek! a little jest at how people choose when to use an angle and when not to use the same angle depending on how they want the argument to look, The rest i agree with it would make total sense to use the training pitches. ( Cas High has a full size artificial pitch floodlit )
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| Quote frenchdreadnought="frenchdreadnought"The title Wakefield Residents Interest Group makes me laugh.
Residents I have spoken to from areas such as Sandal, Crigglestone, Durkar, Walton, Crofton etc etc could either not care less about the proposed development or else think it good for the area as a whole re. jobs and amenities.
They are falsely trying to claim they represent a wider community than they actually do.'"
We are the 99% ( sorry a south park ref :/ )
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