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| Quote Tricky2309="Tricky2309"Why on earth is Raleigh not in the squad if fit? We need 4 props to match them, going with 3 imo is madness'"
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From that, I'd go with
1. Mathers
2. Riley
3. Ryan
4. Walshaw
5. Owen
6. Sammut
7. Godinet
8. Scruton
9. McShane
10. Anderson
11. Washbrook
12. Kirmond
13. Smith
14. Wildie
15. Moore
16. Molloy
17. Gilmour
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Mathers
Owen
Walshaw
Ryan
Riley
Sammut
Godinet
Anderson
Wildie
Smith
Kirmond
Molloy
Washbrook
Scruton
McShane
Moore
Gilmour
Whilst I definitely rate McShane as a far superior hooker to Wildie, I do think if you're going to spell them than better to start Wildie who is solid in defence and steady going forward. Then after 20 minutes bring on McShane to exploit gaps in and around the ruck with sides tiring and to speed up the attack to utilise the likes of Moore and Scruton.
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| Quote PopTart="PopTart"I'd go with:
Sammut
Mathers
Ryan
Walshaw
Riley
Sykes
Godinet
Anderson
McShane
Scruton
Kirmond
Washbrook
Molloy
Wildie
Moore
Smith
Gilmour
Siejka
Owen
I'm torn over Mathers and Owen'"
Lol Mathers on the wing. You Definitaly must sit at home instead of going to the matches |
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www.bradfordbulls.co.uk/news/art ... ack-attack?
'Bulls Manase Manuokafoa (116kg), Antonio Kaufusi (113kg) and Adam Sidlow (108kg) weigh in as Bradford's heavyweights - totaling a massive 337kg.
If selected, the trio are likely collide with Wakefield opposites Richard Moore, Danny Kirmond and former Provident Stadium man Nick Scruton, who weigh in slightly lighter at 108kg, 102kg and 103kg respectively - shy of the potential Bulls' front row by almost 25kg!'
They seem to be comparing their props with two of ours plus our star second row DK but forgot to mention our other two big props playing Scott Anderson (107kg) and Dan Smith (107kg) plus a decent sized back row with Matt Ryan (102kg) and Jon Molloy (100kg) which if we went with Ryan, Kirmond and Molloy would be 304kg back row ....28kg more than Pitts, Donaldson and Olbison. 
It's a shame that big Andy Raleigh (105 kg) isn't also on the bench.
Think it'll be won and lost in the pack though by those who run and tackle the hardest not who weighs the most?
Come on Trinity! 
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'Bulls Manase Manuokafoa (116kg), Antonio Kaufusi (113kg) and Adam Sidlow (108kg) weigh in as Bradford's heavyweights - totaling a massive 337kg.
If selected, the trio are likely collide with Wakefield opposites Richard Moore, Danny Kirmond and former Provident Stadium man Nick Scruton, who weigh in slightly lighter at 108kg, 102kg and 103kg respectively - shy of the potential Bulls' front row by almost 25kg!'
They seem to be comparing their props with two of ours plus our star second row DK but forgot to mention our other two big props playing Scott Anderson (107kg) and Dan Smith (107kg) plus a decent sized back row with Matt Ryan (102kg) and Jon Molloy (100kg) which if we went with Ryan, Kirmond and Molloy would be 304kg back row ....28kg more than Pitts, Donaldson and Olbison.
It's a shame that big Andy Raleigh (105 kg) isn't also on the bench.
Think it'll be won and lost in the pack though by those who run and tackle the hardest not who weighs the most?
Come on Trinity!
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How about
Full back - Smith
Wings - Ryan and Walshaw
Centres - Sykes and Gilmour
Half backs - Godinet and McShane
Props - Washbrook and Kirmond
Hooker - Mathers
Back row Scruton Moore and Molloy
Subs seijka, sammut Owen and Riley
There I think that's it!!
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| Quote upthecats="upthecats"For all the stick Agar gets about playing players out of position I'm still seeing plenty select their teams with players who are 'supposedly' out of position....and ones that Agar tried out.....
Sammut at fullback for example.....and Daniel Smith at loose forward...Sykes at centre.....Mathers on wing....
I think nowadays players have to be versatile....the halfback playing at fullback is nothing new....it's a trend a lot of coaches are going with now and it's one I really like, and one that has brought us success.....same with Godinet playing hooker....it's not something that's totally alien to him, he's played there before for his country....a lot of halfbacks are happy to have a go and switch between both rolls.....Luke Robinson at Huddersfield being a perfect example.....Rob Burrow another at Leeds.....Sinfield is playing there at the moment through injuries.....
Folk are happy to go along with Daniel Smith (signed as, and always played as a prop as far as I know) as loose forward and yet leave our best backrower of the last couple of months (Washbrook) out of the side completely.....
Sykes is on record as saying he's happiest at six....in his time with us he's played all his best games there....he's covered all across the backline throughout his career but feels more comfortable at six....
Mathers for me is the only one you could genuinely question as it's an unfamiliar role to someone who has always played fullback.....as far as I can see he only went there due to real lacking options at wing due to injuries....now with both Owen and Riley named I'd be really surprised if Mathers was named to play on the wing...'"
A commendable effort at justifying Agars bizarre selections.
When Luke Robinson goes to hooker Hudds still have some quality at half back.
When Rob Burrow goes to hooker Leeds still have some quality at half back.
In addition Robinson and Burrow still get their hands on the ball and are pivotal.
We remove potentially our two best quality halves,put one to full back and the other on the bench,neither are pivots anymore and replace them with Sykes and Seijka.Against Warrington we had plenty of possession in the first half but Agars halves created nothing.Indeed a glance at the points scored column since Agar paired Seijka and Sykes makes for pretty dismal reading.
The red herring - Daniel Smith,thats totally different,Wigan,Leeds,Saints,Warrington are among a few clubs that have been using the loose forward position to actually play another out and out forward rather than a more traditional loose forward.The teams doing this still want the player to perform the same role that they would when playing prop.
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| Quote TURFEDOUT="TURFEDOUT"A commendable effort at justifying Agars bizarre selections.
When Luke Robinson goes to hooker Hudds still have some quality at half back.
When Rob Burrow goes to hooker Leeds still have some quality at half back.
In addition Robinson and Burrow still get their hands on the ball and are pivotal.
We remove potentially our two best quality halves,put one to full back and the other on the bench,neither are pivots anymore and replace them with Sykes and Seijka.Against Warrington we had plenty of possession in the first half but Agars halves created nothing.Indeed a glance at the points scored column since Agar paired Seijka and Sykes makes for pretty dismal reading.
The red herring - Daniel Smith,thats totally different,Wigan,Leeds,Saints,Warrington are among a few clubs that have been using the loose forward position to actually play another out and out forward rather than a more traditional loose forward.The teams doing this still want the player to perform the same role that they would when playing prop.
It wouldnt surprise me in the least if Mathers was still on the wing and Riley or Owen were left out.'"
Yep, can go with this.
Maybe to answer UpTheCats, Godinet may have been swayed to come over to be starting first choice scrum half?
He left the Warriors because of being interchange hooker.
Probably prepared to give it a go in the short term but if things don't improve, would expect him to be asking questions after the start he had, why he is not first choice HB?
As for Washbrook, don't worry, now Tautai is going to Wigan, he will get another contract for making 35 tackles as 3rd man in. Statistics, don't you just love 'em! |
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Sykes
Owen
Ryan
Walshaw
Riley
Sammut
Godinet
Anderson
McShane
Moore
Kirmond
Molloy
Washbrook
Smith
Scruton
Wildie
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| Quote GET EM ON SIDE REF="GET EM ON SIDE REF"Sykes
Owen
Ryan
Walshaw
Riley
Sammut
Godinet
Anderson
McShane
Moore
Kirmond
Molloy
Washbrook
Smith
Scruton
Wildie
Mathers'"
The only place for Mathers is at fullback...if he's not there, then he shouldn't be anywhere else in the 17 !! |
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Anybody continuing with Mathers on the wing with Riley and Owen available needs their heads read! Mathers at fb, Sammut and Godinet in the halves, McShane & Wildie rotating at hooker. Job done.
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