First thing I would do is win the fans trust which he has not done, honesty is the only option in my opinion, was he honest in his build up for the meeting? Was he honest in the build up to the signing of semi? Has he been honest in the "I am mr detail" statement, I am overall happy with the changes he has made I'm not happy about the tell fans what they want to hear, it didn't work for Ted, it will not work for Mr Wright and it will not work for mr Glover, all good things come to an end, John Kear 12 months ago could have had a contract for life here with mist supporters but know I'm guessing at least 60-70% would like him to walk, if Mr Glover would like to see out another few years I would suggest he starts being open and honest about where the club are heading.

The thing with the franchise carry on is that we are in limbo until we get told yes or no, so he cant really say where we are going because actually he doesn't know.

Everything else in your post is bang on though.

Some of the things you mention happened before he took over.

True, but he can give us his vision for either way be it SL or champs. If I remember right when he registered on here at the time of the takeover he wanted to communicate with the fans, so far I see very little of that apart from, the meeting which I still stand by what I said at the time regards that, the organization was shocking (mr detail), I have seen nothing yet to suggest we are any better off than before he took over, he got the club for peanuts, he's spent a few quid here and there to polish the turd so to speak but very little else, this season reading the headlines coming from the club, we should have signed 2 awesome players (turned out to be no signing and the semi signing). I will not judge him on if we get a franchise or not due to his short time in the post and also not really caring but I will judge the man on if I feel he has lied to me which I feel he has. Trust is the most important factor here, and for me he is losing that trust, already there are a few who are questioning him, how long before we find ourselves in another Ted situation?

Sadly that excuse doesn't work.



Trinity ceased to be a viable club in the early 1980's, but it's never been accepted as an excuse.



Added to that the new club is all new with no historical debt etc so that excuse doubly doesn't stand up.

Correct Vastman, and the criticism he receives for failing to deliver will be equally justified.

The old regime, not only failed to improve our lot they actually left us in a far worse state in the end, Mr Glover MUST find a way to deliver or history will treat him the same.

My belief is that he has started off well, he (or someone) has cocked up certainly with the signing debacle on friday, the CC meeting I'm not sure about, i heard there was and still are, things ongoing regarding more good news from that, but if we achieve the 5000 members and start earning money through club 1873 to plow into junior development, then to me that will have been a success (though maybe not quite of the historic proportions claimed).

One way to maintain support is to communicate, it is so hugely important to the fans, but not to over egg the pudding so to speak. We all live and breathe the club and want to know how things are going.

Between now and the 26th in particular the club should be in constant communication, to show us that they are doing everything possible, of course we know all that, but we also want reassurance as well.

We'll have to differ on this one, I actually think the old regime left us with a chance - Newmarket - and as such left us in a better state than any previous regime. It matters not one jot that the old Trinity went bust, that was inevitable as it's inevitable this regime will go pop without NM. The fact is that however bad it got under Ted there was enough left to attract another invester - that was a step up from 10 years ago when Pearman stuffed us.



Since SL the only thing that has mattered is keeping us in the game in the hope that one day all will come right - survive survive survive and for that I'm grateful to Ted and AG. We may be as little as 6 month fron total salvation or utter devastation, but hell at least we will know

The thing that worries me with threads like this is that someone who is not knowledgeable but is influencial may believe that this is a majority view.

When we are just discussing which coach you would prefer, I'm happy to join in and it is all good healthy debate. When we start "Kear out" threads or "What has AG ever done for us?" Monty Python threads then they are more emotive and more dangerous. I don't want to get rid of them but they just need to be understood.

Loudest doesn't mean majority. It does sometimes mean that those that don't know will follow blindly and skew the flow of debate.

All I'm saying is be careful what you wish for and if you do have an opinion, speak up rather than staying silent and let it get out of hand because it degenerates into a name calling session (God forbid on here eh?!?)



Anyway, after my preaching session, I still think AG (or more accurately his team) is good for us.

Just looking at the advertising and corporate hospitality that has increased in both volume and quality or the planned changes to the ground. neither are exactly investments for AG. He isn't going to ever get a return on this. He is doing it to improve life for the Wakefield Trinity club and ultimately the fans.

It's fairly well known that unless you are investing in Chelsea or Man United you are only "giving" money to sustain a hobby by putting money into a club. At best you get free advertising space, which is no small thing but still not the investment people sometimes think.



For the club to grow and suceed as a business, and have a long term Super League future, the work is in the back office not on the field. We've seen what happens when you only invest in the team.....and not just our own example. If he generates financial interest or improves the facilities enough to bring more fans then great. He's done his job, whether we come last in the league or not.



So AG may not be the Messiah in terms of taking us to a Grand Final......but he's certainly a Moses, taking us through the dark days and leading the way to the future. Even if only because he is the only one wanting to do it. And even if that road leads via a lower division, I'm still following.

for me there are several problems with mr glover’s tenure at the club. the first being not one of genuine continuity of the team running the club, but the fact that he cleared out virtually the entire building and hasn’t replaced them. this has really left us with only mr elston and mr kear with any background in the operation of an rl club. this is at best naïve. kear is a good coach, but we’ve all seen that his judgement is as much miss as it is hit when it comes to player selection (jones-bishop and mcgilvery to name but two in the last 9 months).



if we take kear out of the coaching equation for next year, then really all we have is elston to make footballing decisions. i wonder if this is why we’ve already interviewed at length richard agar who is quite friendly with.



we haven’t replaced bj. he wasn’t up to the mark in my book, but he’s better than we have. kear and elston are playing a tune which isn’t helping wakefield, and either mr glover is simply saving his brass, or he can’t see it. i would bet that mr glover’s wage bill is less now for players than when he took over. this will hit us through the turnstyles.



indications so far is that he’s bitten off more than he can chew from an rl side of things, way to early to say from a business perspective.

Which things happened before he took over?

Actually, now you've made me re-read your post, I unequivocally take my comment back. I misread the Millard/Jeffries part.

I still think you are being harsh but there was nothing wrong with your facts stated.

Giving Jeffries away, allowing Millard to leave ,not sacking Hickey on sight, signing Semi, allowing Semi and Hickey to walk straight into the team, falling out with Robo , allowing Renaldi and Griffin to drop their committment levels once they had signed for new clubs for next season, not giving Anakin and Walshaw first team rugby etc etc tell me that the group who are making rugby decisions are doing a poor job.



Jeffries was our very best player we encouaraged him to go as soon as Bradford asked about him, a really really bad move.



Now the palyers have given up just when the SL licence decisions are to be made, how very easy we have made it for them. We are getting thrashed every week and we are signing overseas dross who get in the team instead of young English players.



You just couldn`t make it up.