We lost that game through missing two conversions. Hankinson nailed his, Makinson missed two.

And you wonder why opposition fans don't give you credit? You haven't acknowledged or accepted a single point any of us has made. Are you actually saying they aren't true?

No, you lost it because you didn't dominate Toulouse in the way you're used to. That is due to not having Walmsley put you on the front foot. You've missed kicks before and still won. If you truly can't see the difference a world class player like Walmsley makes then there's little point discussing this.

You might not like it but the standard of the other sides is diabolical. We finished 4th last year, 4th! We were embarrassing and scored less points on average per game than Leigh and a similar amount to the worst top flight side I can recall in Workington 25 years ago. That sums the comp up.



Saints shouldn’t take offence to the fact they’re dominating an English top flight that is at its weakest I can ever remember, in fact they should feel huge pride in having their standards so high whilst other clubs limp along and I’ll give them huge credit for helping raise standards should another club/s get their backsides in gear and actually challenge them.



I give Saints huge credit for many things. I’ve fought the corner of a guy like Morgan Knowles on here and feel I’m pretty fair but I can’t sit here and lie and say you’re beating much. If that’s not giving you the credit you deserve, feel free to call it that, but I just call it speaking the truth.

Didn't Wigan win it seven times in a row or was it only six.

I admire you for coming in here and speaking up for your club. Let’s face it, we’d do the same and we wouldn’t like to hear things said that may take a gloss off some great achievements either.



You have to have it straight though. Nobody is questioning refereeing decisions and we’re talking about an injury ‘crisis’ you’ve not had to face, not just single injuries here and there. The quality of the league is dire on the whole as well but that isn’t criticising the quality of Saints. They’re a top quality outfit but it’s all relevant and the challenge they’re being given from across the game is very poor. That’s not Saints problem though, that’s our problem and the other clubs and the fact nobody looks able to get near you, when your game plan isn’t rocket science is something all the clubs should feel pretty embarrassed about.

At least you've come on, our resident Saints troll, W/W'69 has been noticeable by his absence this weekend

Looking at the way Woolfe, and to a certain extent Holbrook, manage their injuries, it is probably part of the reason why they haven't had any injury crisis in the last few years. Any time there is what is perceived as a weak fixture, players are missing. Injured say Saints, rested says everybody else. In truth it is probably players with niggles etc that are rested. That way niggles don't become injuries. Perhaps other clubs should learn. Losing a couple of times to the likes of London, did little to affect the outcome of the Grand Final.

If other clubs follow the Woolf playbook we might have to cancel that mid season England fixture, as England will have half a team and we’ll have nobody to play.

Some clubs don't have the luxury of resting players with niggles because when you're already missing 6, 7 or 8 players and playing players out of position you can't make many more changes.

They'd practically already won it before the break

Wasn't the break the same for everyone anyway? I'm not sure how that makes it an uneven comp. Only if Liverpool got a break and others didn't would it be equivalent.