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| Quote TheAbbot="TheAbbot"I remember all the times he held players down and won penalties for it. What goes around......... I hope one day he toddles off to play Union, but not until someone breaks a part of his face.'"
How classy.
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| Quote Big Jim Slade="Big Jim Slade"Yeah, remember when JJB tried to kick him in the face? Does everything look red and white through those glasses you wear?'"
17 minutes. I'm losing my touch.
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| So your what they an call oxygen thief.
I'm sorry, this does not make any sense. I assume you are trying to insult me.
Did he or did he not cheat constantly a few years ago?
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| Quote TheAbbot="TheAbbot"So your what they an call oxygen thief.
I'm sorry, this does not make any sense. I assume you are trying to insult me.
Did he or did he not cheat constantly a few years ago?'"
Yes you're right. You can go now...
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| Quote TheAbbot="TheAbbot"I remember all the times he held players down and won penalties for it. What goes around......... I hope one day he toddles off to play Union, but not until someone breaks a part of his face.'"
Your ard

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| Quote TheAbbot="TheAbbot"So your what they an call oxygen thief.
I'm sorry, this does not make any sense. I assume you are trying to insult me. '"
Given what you said, I'd take it as a compliment if I was you.
Quote TheAbbot="TheAbbot"Did he or did he not cheat constantly a few years ago?'"
He did not. HTH.
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| cant believe what ive just read on bbc is wane having a laugh?
sams a quality player but this is ridiculous he never gets what he doesnt give and hes the ronaldo of rugby league you cannot deny that very talented but likes to dive about and milk the odd penalty
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| I love this...
Seems as if opposition fans are the most qualified to talk on this topic and know it all. I can't recall the last time Sam has dived/milked a penalty and I have a feeling I, along with many other Wigan fans on here, have seen more Wigan games this season than these opposition fans.
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| Honestly, fans coming on here and saying Sam dives and milks pens are making an absolute fool of themselves. All you are doing is showing how little you know about Tomkins and Wigan. For me I cannot remember the last time. he used to do it a lot when he played at 6, and he was very good at doing it. But in the last 2 seasons I really cannot remember him doing it (mainly because whenever he has had the ball we want a quick play the ball as he invariably dents the defence through a break or making defenders jump out of the line)
For your own sakes, stop coming on and saying something which is 2 years out of date.
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| Watch the Setaimata Sa hit on that tube site, then decide for yourselves how it ties in with this verdict:
[urlhttp://www.therfl.co.uk/disciplinary/item?3726[/url
Quote Tackle is high however arm is below horizontal and initial contact is with ball. Penalty sufficient.'"
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| Quote Big Jim Slade="Big Jim Slade"Yeah, remember when JJB tried to kick him in the face? Does everything look red and white through those glasses you wear?'"
...or when one of your players [uactually[/u kicked Brett Finch in the face during the same match. Conveniently ignored by most Leeds fans including yourself. Surprise, surprise! 
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| First off, I've said it before this season.......I wish Waney would shut his mouth and do things behind closed doors. He's turning into too much of a rent-a-quote coach for my liking.
Anyway, the Sa tackle on Sam wasn't that bad imo. He hit him across his shoulders and Sam went down like he'd been shot more than likely due to his running style and size. I agree with the RFL's view of it.
The JJB incident, whilst Sam was wrong to kick out, is probably what Wane is on about. JJB was all over Sam with his arms in his face and holding him down etc. Sam retaliated and they got the penalty (luckily he wasn't binned or sent off which he could quite easily have been). Refs turn a blind eye to what happens to Sam but then we get the short end of the stick when he retaliates which after so long he is bound to do (see Gareth Hock v St Helens this season. He did well to last 3 games with the sh*t they've thrown at him this season)
For all those anti Wigan posters reading, I'll ask again......how many players have been injured as a direct result of Wigan 'attacking' the standing leg in the last 3 years? The answer is of course none. Surely, if we are trained to do this then there'd be hundreds?
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