Wasnt Ian Smith the VR?

all this whining and appealling to the ref is out of order IMO, be it Briers, Wello, Mona or Sam. And if you draw your 'own' square in the air - automatic 10 minutes. Its getting as bad a wendyball and Torres waiving his imaginary cards at the ref.

Have to agree with this. It is one thing I don’t like about football and it is creeping into our game more and more. I can’t understand why refs rarely penalise for dissent nowadays. For me they should to stop this. Not having a go at Saints because we’re as bad as anyone. But as an example, Wellens for me should have been sin binned for dissent for that try of Richards, or James Graham’s foul mouth rant at the 4th official during the blood bin incident. I understand his passion but we can’t have that in our game if you ask me.



Back to the game. We can’t blame the ref for yesterdays defeat. Didn’t watch the Catalans v Hull KR game but the refereeing in all the other games for me was fine.



Charnley’s was a try for me. He was short but Saints somehow contrived to get him over the line. Should have been a try but we didn’t play well enough to say we deserved the win. Credit to Saints for their performance yesterday. Still think that if we play to our potential we should beat Saints but don’t think that we will win the GF even if we get there.

You are joking? Cummins is No1 Saints fan? Is that what you are saying? Surely you know Cummins is an out and out mad Wigan fan. Ask anyone who knew him from when he was a teacher.



Or have I misunderstood your post?

cummins is in no way a Wigan fan.



The Charnley try was a try, the saints players pulled him over the line and he got the ball down. He gave a decision as if he'd been held up when he hadn't. Had it been determined a double movement it should have been a saints penalty.



That decision probably changed the game for us.

Yes, it wasn't a try. His momentum had been stopped, if you watch closely he makes a 2nd effort by using his legs to drive himself over the line.



It should have been a pen to saints for a double movement.

Not seen the Wellens try in the 2nd half again, but it looked a very clear knock on by Roby the play before that never got picked up.

Watch it then. Roby attempted to pass the ball it hit Tomkins and Saints regained possession.



At first I was screaming for six more tackles but on reflection it did not appear that Tomkins played at the ball so play on was the correct call.

Cumming is definitely not a Wigan fan. Years ago, when he was a teacher and was refereeing a school match, he told a neighbour of mine that he hated Wigan.

But the feeling is mutual.

No he apparently, couldnt make it so Stuart Cummings appointed himself for the game. How strange was that then? Ganson must have been busy elsewhere.

True; you can see him digging his feet into the turf and stretching his legs to flip himself over.

The ref did get it wrong it was a pen to us.

For once, Cummings got it exactly right. [iThe ball is in touch when it or a player in contact with it touches the touch-line or the ground beyond the touch-line or any object on or outside the touch-line except when a player, tackled in the field-of-play, steps into touch as he regains his feet, in which case he shall play-the-ball in the field-of-play.[/i Cummings judged that neither Charnley nor the Saints players were responsible for him ending up over the try line (which in this respect is analogous to being in touch) and he ended up in that position as a natural conclusion of his attempts to regain his feet whilst the saints players (who were entitled to do so) looked to stop him grounding the ball.



It was the only fair way of restarting the game.