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| Quote Cruncher="Cruncher"A typical scathing Andy Wilson article.
Each week he picks out someone or some club he doesn't like, and has a catty go at them. What's makes this one unusual is that it's Sean Long and Saints who are in the firing line. Granted, it's difficult to feel any kind of empathy for Sean Long at the best of times, and after his antics of this last week the holier-than-thou Guardian columnist was always going to line him up for a righteous pop. But there was no mention there, I notice, of the ridiculous video ref decision near the end, which took the game out of Saints' reach. Even as a Wigan fan I was shocked by that one.'"
I also thought he was level. However, things like this even themselves out don't they?
It's just that saints have a long way to go before they are anywhere near equal on the dodgy decision front. IMO of course.
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| Quote Father Ted="Father Ted"My father used to talk about "eras"
There was the mid war era when Wigan had a wingman called Johnny Ring who one season scored I think 68 tries.
Then there was the immediate post war era when Hudds had a good team.
Now we have the Super League/Salary Cap era.
What is obvious though through these "eras" there is one constant.
That Wigan are the most successful club in the game having won more trophies than any other club.
We do need to add to the total and soon but that fact still remains true.
Lets hope IL/MM/SW can keep it that way!'"
Actually the constant you say of Wigan having won more than anyone else only occured some 60 years after RL was born.
Uptil then Huddersfield were the most successful RL team.
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| What you say willis!
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| Quote The Chair Maker="The Chair Maker"Actually the constant you say of Wigan having won more than anyone else only occured some 60 years after RL was born.
Uptil then Huddersfield were the most successful RL team.'"
Who bloody asked you?
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| There was a great quote from Eddie during the match
"Looks like Sean Long will end his Saint Helens career as a loser"
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| Quote Batesy="Batesy"So, tonight was Longs last game for Saints, surely this now signals the beggining of the end of the self-dubbed "Entertainers". Personally I can't wait to hear the first scouse "but we lost a lot of good players at the same time, and we couldn't recover straight away, you wouldn't understand"
Nope, us Wigan fans would know NOTHING about the demise of a good team through losing too many key players to quickly

Does anyone else wonder whether Eastmond has what it takes to lead Saints round the park like Long? I think the scousers have lacked direction when Long hasn't been playing this season, and if Eastmond can't then who else have they got that can do that job? Pryce certainly doesn't look up to it.
Thoughts?'"
I don't think it was their era. I think at the moment it is Leeds. Three Grand Finals in a row in the salary cap era is an admirable achievement. Still I don't think it will be an end of the Saints/Leeds era until teams catch them up such as us and Warrington.
I think they have their key players replaced. Kyle Eastmond for Sean Long and Scott Moore for Keiron Cunningham. They're in good shape for me there. It is just the forwards they might have some trouble with IMO.
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| Quote cadoo="cadoo"I don't think it was their era. I think at the moment it is Leeds. Three Grand Finals in a row in the salary cap era is an admirable achievement. Still I don't think it will be an end of the Saints/Leeds era until teams catch them up such as us and Warrington.
I think they have their key players replaced. Kyle Eastmond for Sean Long and Scott Moore for Keiron Cunningham. They're in good shape for me there. It is just the forwards they might have some trouble with IMO.'"
Just on those two understudy's you've mentioned, for me Eastmond is a completely different type of player to Long, there's no doubting he's a game breaker and a great individual but he lacks the kicking game and organizational skills that Saints will miss by loosing Long.
Moore while a good player isn't in the class of Cunningham and nothing he's shown me says he ever will be, so while they do have replacements they're not in the same ilk of the one's there loosing. I personally though that Lunt was the better hooker of the two at the Giants.
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| I will only say its over if they have a poor season next year.
Speaking to loads of Leeds and Saints fans on the train yesterday and they all thought that Wigan were the team to be feared next year and that we would be the next team to have a dominant few years 
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| Then lets hope they're right. I'm a little more optimistic of that becoming a reality now than I would've been a few weeks ago.
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| I love all this oh we can just play Wellens at SR, what makes anyone think Wellens can play SR?
Meli should go in the pack, he runs the ball up really well and being in the pack he wouldn't have to deal with kicks and his mistakes which ruin his game would be cut out.
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| Quote Odemwingie="Odemwingie"I love all this oh we can just play Wellens at SR, what makes anyone think Wellens can play SR?
Meli should go in the pack, he runs the ball up really well and being in the pack he wouldn't have to deal with kicks and his mistakes which ruin his game would be cut out.'"
I read some Saints fan today talking about Wellens/Roby sharing the 13 shirt next season 
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| Simply put, Wellens just doesn't have the pace to play 11, 12 or 13. Silly scousers.
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