Given the number of people who've recently claimed that Wigan have the best juniors and biggest squad in SL those avenues of excuse appear to be closed off.

Excellent post and accurate summing up of the situation in general. Again I do think we "overplayed" as we have done for the last three games. The senior players need to take stock of their decision making last night. For some reason we have gone to playing "giddy" rugby, I can't imagine that this was Maguires instruction.



Must go reserve team rugby at Orrell calls.

Aye but we didn't really make use of those youngsters, we played a load of players out of position to avoid giving two debuts.

Don't let a few ott ramblings from the SKY team confuse you how the Rhinos fans have reacted to our injuries.

In fact just becasue it's been mentioned i think you'll find that 99% of the posts after defeat have been praising the opposition as much as discussing our shortfalls.

Also just because posters mention the fact that certain players are missing it doesn't automatically make it an "excuse" for defeat just adding weight to a debate about where the squad are at that time.

For those saying injuries had no effect last night, wake up! Are you saying players of the quality of Roberts, Gleeson, Goulding, Coley, Leuluai et al make no difference to a team? If that's the case why sign them?



No, it wasn't an excuse. Quinns beat the best team we could put out on the day fair and square. But there's a mile of difference between 'excuse' and 'reason'. Anyone who can't see the difference needs the help of a dictionary.



The injuries were one of several reasons why we lost last nights game. Not the only one by any means but to completely discount them is ludicrous. That being the case you won't be bothered whether Gleeson, Coley, Goulding or Leuluai are back next week or not will you as it clearly makes no difference! As for Roberts..why bother? We obviously don't need him.

Spot on. If all the players were as hungry as Farrell and Walker last night we wouldnt of lost. Body language was terrible last night Bertie big bollo*cks in the extreme. Im sure its playing on the players minds though so it might work into a positive (i hope

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Sky often overhype things. Ive heard Hemmings mention Leeds injuries more than any other people put together!

Can't really agree with that - can't recall the body language being any different from normal and didn't believe there was a lack of effort from anybody out there.



Lack of concentration, lack of ability for the position they were playing (i.e, Bailey) and lack of match sharpness maybe.

Get him sacked!

Would much rather have Barry and Tez!

It was a poor defence display last night, nothing more nothing less. To say it was because missing players is rubbish as most the players that are not normally in the team played ok, Liam Farrell had a real game until cramped up. We knew aiscough would be weak in defence yet noone aided him on the right, lets hope the team learns by the basic mistakes, also we got caught out too many times by breaks and no cover getting back,

To anyone who was at the game it was surely obvious we missed Gleeson and a half back.



You mention no one helped Ainscough, well Gleeson would have. In any case the problem on the right was mainly Bailey who was rubbish in defence. So I don't see how it can be rubbish to point to these players absence as a reason (not excuse) for why certain aspects of the teams game were poorer than usual. It's just common sense.



I think Phuzzy got it spot on with his post.



Dave

Thanks Dave. I think that makes a grand total of two of us!

Apparently the common consensus is that it doesn't matter which players take the field. As long as they're wearing a Cherry and White shirt they are all of exactly the same standard. Makes you wonder why we ever bother signing anyone really.