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Genuine question again for any lingering Saints fans - whats this talk about taking the derby to Goodison Park or Anfield next season? Any truth in that? Any official comments?
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| Quote Dougy="Dougy"Genuine question again for any lingering Saints fans - whats this talk about taking the derby to Goodison Park or Anfield next season? Any truth in that? Any official comments?'"
The only official comment that has been made by McManus is that they are looking at the idea of taking one or two bigger matches to bigger stadia. No mention of soccer stadia. |
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| Quote SaintsFan="SaintsFan"The only official comment that has been made by McManus is that they are looking at the idea of taking one or two bigger matches to bigger stadia. No mention of soccer stadia.'"
True but the rumours are flying around that it's at Everton. |
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| Quote SaintsFan="SaintsFan"The only official comment that has been made by McManus is that they are looking at the idea of taking one or two bigger matches to bigger stadia. No mention of soccer stadia.'"
Im not being funny but what other stadiums are apart from soccer stadia that are bigger than halton stadium. |
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| Quote those were the days="those were the days"Im not being funny but what other stadiums are apart from soccer stadia that are bigger than halton stadium.'"
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Wire is smaller than halton stadium FACT
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| Quote Pieman="Pieman"Simon Moran didnt pay for Wires ground it was paid for by Tesco as part of the planning permission for the new store.'"
Sure about that? Having had significant dealings with both Tesco and the planning process, I can assure you that they are nowhere near as benevolent as you may believe. A contribution towards the infrastructure of the stadium possibly - paying for it outright and then gifting it to a separate commercial entity, never!!!
If Tesco were so generous to Warrington - why haven't they done the same thing for Saints given that it is an almost identical situation (wanting a Supermarket on the edge of the town centre which is generally opposed by national planning policy)? |
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Quote giwildgo="giwildgo"Sure about that? Having had significant dealings with both Tesco and the planning process, I can assure you that they are nowhere near as benevolent as you may believe. A contribution towards the infrastructure of the stadium possibly - paying for it outright and then gifting it to a separate commercial entity, never!!!
If Tesco were so generous to Warrington - why haven't they done the same thing for Saints given that it is an almost identical situation (wanting a Supermarket on the edge of the town centre which is generally opposed by national planning policy)?'"
Warringtons stadium is a very cheap build. The contract to build the stadium according to attached document link
www.barr.co.uk/brochures/stadia.pdf
was for only £6.8million.
This link from a Warrington fan showing the clubs history indicates that the council bailed Wire out by buying Wilderspool and Tesco invited Wire to join their superstore plans. This was to enable the store to get planning permission. Without the Wolves stadium being built Tescos would never have been built.
www.odeauk.fsnet.co.uk/archive/history.htm
Enabling developments are very popular with Tesco. The actual money that Tesco have offered Saints and Wire, if any, will be the subject of confidentiality clauses. However its safe to say that without Tesco on board neither club would have had the cash to build a new stadium. |
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Quote giwildgo="giwildgo"Sure about that? Having had significant dealings with both Tesco and the planning process, I can assure you that they are nowhere near as benevolent as you may believe. A contribution towards the infrastructure of the stadium possibly - paying for it outright and then gifting it to a separate commercial entity, never!!!
If Tesco were so generous to Warrington - why haven't they done the same thing for Saints given that it is an almost identical situation (wanting a Supermarket on the edge of the town centre which is generally opposed by national planning policy)?'"
Warringtons stadium is a very cheap build. The contract to build the stadium according to attached document link
www.barr.co.uk/brochures/stadia.pdf
was for only £6.8million.
This link from a Warrington fan showing the clubs history indicates that the council bailed Wire out by buying Wilderspool and Tesco invited Wire to join their superstore plans. This was to enable the store to get planning permission. Without the Wolves stadium being built Tescos would never have been built.
www.odeauk.fsnet.co.uk/archive/history.htm
Enabling developments are very popular with Tesco. The actual money that Tesco have offered Saints and Wire, if any, will be the subject of confidentiality clauses. However its safe to say that without Tesco on board neither club would have had the cash to build a new stadium. | |
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Quote The Chair Maker="The Chair Maker"Warringtons stadium is a very cheap build. The contract to build the stadium according to attached document link
www.barr.co.uk/brochures/stadia.pdf
was for only £6.8million.
This link from a Warrington fan showing the clubs history indicates that the council bailed Wire out by buying Wilderspool and Tesco invited Wire to join their superstore plans. This was to enable the store to get planning permission. Without the Wolves stadium being built Tescos would never have been built.
www.odeauk.fsnet.co.uk/archive/history.htm
Enabling developments are very popular with Tesco. The actual money that Tesco have offered Saints and Wire, if any, will be the subject of confidentiality clauses. However its safe to say that without Tesco on board neither club would have had the cash to build a new stadium.'"
Thanks, but I don't really need an education in Tesco's approach to enabling development, I've seen it first hand on a number of occasions, including involvement with the HJ Stadium. The only point of dispute with the original poster was the insinuation that Tesco paid for the stadium in its entirity and gifted it to Warrington for which I have seen absolutely no evidence. Yes, there was some commercial investment from Tesco (particularly in the shared infrastructure) because the stadium being part of the development sweetened the deal from a planning perspective. But there were also a number of other investment sources underpinning the development much like Saints have had to put in place, including the Council receipts for the Wilderspool sale (a poor investment decision for the local taxpayer in hindsight). Warrington just found it easier to secure the total funding for a lower value of development in an economic climate that was a lot more favourable at the time. |
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Quote The Chair Maker="The Chair Maker"Warringtons stadium is a very cheap build. The contract to build the stadium according to attached document link
www.barr.co.uk/brochures/stadia.pdf
was for only £6.8million.
This link from a Warrington fan showing the clubs history indicates that the council bailed Wire out by buying Wilderspool and Tesco invited Wire to join their superstore plans. This was to enable the store to get planning permission. Without the Wolves stadium being built Tescos would never have been built.
www.odeauk.fsnet.co.uk/archive/history.htm
Enabling developments are very popular with Tesco. The actual money that Tesco have offered Saints and Wire, if any, will be the subject of confidentiality clauses. However its safe to say that without Tesco on board neither club would have had the cash to build a new stadium.'"
Thanks, but I don't really need an education in Tesco's approach to enabling development, I've seen it first hand on a number of occasions, including involvement with the HJ Stadium. The only point of dispute with the original poster was the insinuation that Tesco paid for the stadium in its entirity and gifted it to Warrington for which I have seen absolutely no evidence. Yes, there was some commercial investment from Tesco (particularly in the shared infrastructure) because the stadium being part of the development sweetened the deal from a planning perspective. But there were also a number of other investment sources underpinning the development much like Saints have had to put in place, including the Council receipts for the Wilderspool sale (a poor investment decision for the local taxpayer in hindsight). Warrington just found it easier to secure the total funding for a lower value of development in an economic climate that was a lot more favourable at the time. | |
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| Quote giwildgo="giwildgo"Thanks, but I don't really need an education in Tesco's approach to enabling development, I've seen it first hand on a number of occasions, including involvement with the HJ Stadium. The only point of dispute with the original poster was the insinuation that Tesco paid for the stadium in its entirity and gifted it to Warrington for which I have seen absolutely no evidence. Yes, there was some commercial investment from Tesco (particularly in the shared infrastructure) because the stadium being part of the development sweetened the deal from a planning perspective. But there were also a number of other investment sources underpinning the development much like Saints have had to put in place, including the Council receipts for the Wilderspool sale (a poor investment decision for the local taxpayer in hindsight). Warrington just found it easier to secure the total funding for a lower value of development in an economic climate that was a lot more favourable at the time.'"
Didn't they offer to finance the build the structure for the proposed Everton stadium in Kirkby, but the club was to pay for fixtures and fittings? I thought that was the deal with the HJ, but I accept that I may be way off the mark.
IIRC, in regard to the Saints stadium the only contribution they would make to the stadium is if some of the funding fell through as the store cannot be built without the stadium being finished. |
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This is what we were led to believe that Tesco paid for the Stadium but Warrington then had to pay for all fixtures and fittings.
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Lets not forget tesco bailed us out aswell with the sale of central park
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