rose tinted, there was no skolars game!! it was a training session not a game.

proves you cant believe all you read on the forum which is why the club should issue reliable information



Have the forum on a game day! so TR tood in front of us and answered questions, what would you prefer, he is stood in front of us the fans or focusing on the game?

Why not other coaches have and they have been valable sessions with a large cross section of fans



What are the conference facilities being used for prior to the game on 22nd? Their is already summat going on that is for the benefit of London Rugby League in general by the way.

So why not hold it in one of the bars



Trust me the forum was not just for those "select few" as you put, in fact the air was sucked from the room when paddock appeared!!

GREAT he probably added real value with his common sense approach



The club, that means DH/TK/Gus/TR acknowledged that communication was key, but what do you want them to do come knocking at your door! the forum.

I will ignore your condescending attitude to answer in a mature manner. No I dont want them knocking on my door but I would expect to see mail shots. The club managed to float our names,addresses and in some cases phone numbers on the internet so why not take th eopportunity to send mail shots of what is happening at the club and make an apology to fans for doing wrong.



Also the only way to get new fans is to advertise and appealing to internet users is not good enough. We need mailshots and adverts. There is not even information to old fans regarding buying tickets the first home game is two weeks away and I have seen and heard nothing about it.

Nope. I want London Boncos to not make losses in the first place. To do that, they need to increase their revenue streams.......2014 is the year we have given up ticketing revenue and handed the most important aspect of off-field activity to a guy with an average of 1,500 for soccer. Put another way, the people making decisions at the club do not have a ing clue how to build revenue streams do they are going to give the responsibility to a guy who has a very limited track record in this area. GENIUS





AK is a salesman. Standing up at a forum is bread and butter to him and to applaud him for it is insanity. As for the future. Stay up in 2014 and then what? The losses in 2014 may be reduced to 1.2 from 2.4 million, but without Hughes, the club immediately becomes a 7 figure liablity. Go down and believe me, a crowd of 1,000 will be a "bumper" turn out.....and you assume that a top 4 finish in the 2nd tier would be bolted on?





London Broncos have had business plans dependant on a successful team in the past. If that is the case in 2014 well then it is not long now until it truly is GAME OVER!





London outside of SL and without Hughes will not be able to afford Underhill, will not attract RFL marketing funding and if they get sub 1k crowds they will cost AK money to just open the gates....







You talk about the future like the club has one? London Broncos have a core of between 400 and 600 fans......you may get a spike for some of the bigger visitors, but unless someone somewhere has a strategic plan that includes strategies for the exit from SL and 5 years + in the lower tier on little income, building from the bottom up, then there really is little use for the word "future" when discussing London Broncos as a viable professional entity.





With all projects, there need to be rewards and consequences. We know what the rewards are for The Hive and its owner, but what are the consequences of failure? Not for London Broncos, but for The Hive?





Buddy, there are kids and community work results all over the West and South West of London....if that's the strategy that is paying such massive dividends for Barnet FC then we are truly ed!







Indeed, the finances will be interesting.........because 1.85 million in SKY money will not bankroll the first team and their associated costs EXCLUDING coaches. That cost in 2012 was 2.7 Million quid........that's everything from wages, through travel, treatments, away accommodation and all the other stuff that running a pro RL team involves.

4 Million a year is the minimum turn over for a SL club to be competitive.......doing it on a budget is what London, Wakefield, Castleford and Bradford are doing in 2014 and 2 of those 4 will be gone by September.....that's the fact of life in regards to the top tier of RL in the UK......IT IS NOT PART TIME SOCCER!

A crap deal or folding completely, I know what I'd choose.

There is that but there comes a point, particularly when the lunatics are still in charge of the asylum.

........not putting ourselves in that position in the first place?

So the cost for the stoop was either 18.5k or or 15.8 per game?

Your comment on smoke screen and the cost of coffee, I do believe you asked for specifics, I gave you a specific, from a fans point of view its better than the rip off at the stoop, and the bar staff smile at you at least unlike the grumpy lot at the stoop.

As for use of the facilities at the stoop, mate I spent long enough last season and the season before in the tunnel on match day, their were facilities that were NOT made available to the broncos that is a fact.

You are happy to quote all other figures, marketing funding by the RFL is not solely London all clubs benefit, what was suggested at the forum is that the RFL should think about marketing the GAME more in the south considering our catchment area. It was a follow on to all the talk the RFL gave to success of the RLWC.

The club spent at least 40k last year on market btw

no-one has said we are better off than in 2011, everyone at the forum probably agreed we have gone backwards massively.

DH is still the bloke who owns us and is the money man so basically its down to him to appoint the CEO

Player sponsorship, actually they have put a price on it!

Willing and hungry diners!!!! don't know what you mean! questions were asked, and they gave answers honestly, there was no flannel, there was no bull.



Melf, I don't think anyone is actually saying TK should take over now, but as you say in a year or two or three years time who knows what is going to happen.

TK stood up and fended questions and seemed pretty genuine, again no flannel no bull yep he said their had been hickups and their were still things that needed work but importantly he was willing to listen to what the club and the supporters want and need to make it a success

a crap deal or folding or not getting ourselves in the position in the first place, the clock cannot be turned back, so you are left with the first two options, gutters we are where we are!! the clock cannot be turned back

I agree a bad deal is better than none at all. But an analysis of how we got into this mess is apposite too. We are still a basket case with the thinnest squad in SL. Still I will try to enjoy the coming season. Long may the debate conynue.



COYB 2014 Gigot and the Broncos got a ring to in.

Unless you're Michael J. Fox or L'Oreal. (Sorry, really starting to get into this Babylon Police Comedy drama on Channel 4).



True. I agree. We can only hope to learn from our mistakes, that is all we have. Let's defy the odds and get the lads thinking they CAN. Lets do this Broncos!

The cost of the stoop is irrelevant. Matchday costs, which include the cost of the stadium in 2012 were £222,244....that year we made losses of £2,202,049! 10% of out losses were down to the cost of the stoop.......will this simple equation not sink in Michael?





Gus would love it is the only matter of conversation was the cost of a coffee and the smile it came with......and I suggest the smile was pleasant because there was only 50 of you there. Let's see what it's like when 1,000 people hit the bar looking for a beer in 10 minutes over half time.





As I said, until we started getting y, we had access to everything we wanted. The relationship broke down when IL was replaced with DH and then once we started making sounds about leaving, we no longer became anything other than an annoyance. We were not asked to move out of the offices at the stoop...we chose to!



so? We are a business. Businesses provide a product or service and they try to get people to buy it. Over the last 18 years we have failed.....over tha last 3 we have failed with bells on and fist class honours! It is not for the club to wait for the RFL to dosomething. David Hughes has wasted 10,000,000+ on a club that he will never get back. His failings and those of his puppet CEO's can't be laid at Knock down Nigels feet..,....that is an entirely different thread!



..WoW......massive drop from 2012 then. £205,944 in 2012, £242,524 the year before and £267,943 in 2010



Michael, I don't pull these figures out of a hat. If your £40k in 2013 is true then the club should be stripped of its licence.







YET THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE IS STILL ON A WAGE........and you expect something to change











for 1 more year....then the RFL don't have to worry about us any more because we will slip into the lower tier. As for the money for 2014....the RFL have given our new landlord a marketing budget. If I wasn't such a devoted fan of the RFL, I could maybe look upon that as the RFL PAYING HIM TO TAKE US FOR ONE MORE YEAR TO SEE OUT THE LICENCING PERIOD......but hey, that would be pure speculation







They didn't when they first announced it......but good to see they have now decided on a figure. I wonder if they will update us as to the availability of players as they begin to attract throngs of sponsors.....









We admit we have made mistakes and we accept we need to improve........where else did they say they had got it wrong?

We know we need to communicate with fans more effectively.......no Sherlock?



Honesty? Honesty is for kids caught stealing.....REALISM is what is needed in business. The Current CEO has overseen losses in excess of over £6,500,000 on a turn over of £12,300,000 in 3 years.



LET ME TYPE THAT AGAIN FOR YOU



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London Broncos will not be in SL and will be struggling unless the funding of the expansion team is given a major overhaul. TK will not be investing anything he doesn't get back over the bar or on the gate.





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you know gutters typing in bigger font makes no difference,

and why do you have to resort to swearing? all know what you mean when you say "loving" and their is no real need for it.

Yes we all agree we are doomed doomed, those of us that turn up this year are gonna be watching poop, and we are all playing in to the hands of Gus, mate I am not asking you to start singing his praises.

We get it you are peed off with everything that the club stands for and everyone involved.

But if its the last season watching em coz we are down the pan as you insist, then sod it I will try and enjoy any bit of it that I can.

Just do some of us a favour and keep your gloating in check a bit until its happened, its ok you will only have to wait till Sunday aft before you can give it "i told you so"

personally its about the 17 blokes who are gonna go out on the park.

I will say tho I find it quite interesting that you have so much to say about a meeting that you were not even at!

as for TK being a business man and us being his tenants, what is your point?



My figure out of a hat! you are happy enough to spew figures etc we are all supposed to listen to yours but you will not listen to someone else's!?

So whinge whinge we did not get a forum when we wanted on, now we have got one, its whinge whinge whinge, we asked questions they answered and that's not good enough.

As for the RFL quip no I was not suggesting its Dave woods fault, but even Blake Solly agreed the FL could do more to promote the game as a whole in the south.