then heres a scenario to give all posters in this argument food for thought............



A newcomer applies to become a member and submits his form and a fiver

As one more on the membership roster, he lives locally , has suitable credentials and is enthusiastically "welcomed on board"



He then regularly attends the regular question and answer sessions , and regularly plays golf /enjoys a drink/was best man(?) and is a close friend of or actually is an employee of the rugby league press or media ...................?



Hypothetical scenario I know, but bearing in mind todays press not totally unimagineable!



Playing devils advocate for a moment, it occurs to me , that,despite every effort to maintain close relations with our club fan base (which would be highly commendable in a perfect world ), the club , management and Ken would be very naive to allow sensitive / confidential information to be disclosed to all and sundry , and even press releases will be carefully edited and worded ( do you agree / or not - depending on your particular viewpoint.)..........?

Answers (on a postcard to)................

Im a little lost as to what this has to do with Stone or coaching or am i missing something?



Is there a topic hiding somewhere titled fans getting on each others t*ts that has all our Ricks coaching abilities been discussed and the two have got mixed up?



On a brighter note looking forward to next season and getting my season ticket and hopefully see some movement in and out of the club to freshen things up

Quote HuddsRL5="HuddsRL5"Still going Brearley www.hullfc.com/news/2016-10-08-p ... ake-connor'" Yes Jake is deffo still going. I pay my £5 to the HGSA but always seem to have other commitments when the meetings are on so don't get to hear whats said, but I do know the facts re Jake Connor. Jake signed a contract with Hull FC while Baloo was here as Jake had been told he was not wanted by Baloo. Jake signed what he believed was a pre contract with FC and thought he would be signing the full contract after his birthday, this month. Baloo left and Jake actually signed a contract with the Giants to stay with us. When this was registered with the RFL we were informed that he had a contract with FC already in place. The Giants contacted FC who said they wanted a transfer fee to release Jake from the contract which we refused, don't blame the club why should we pay a fee for a player who has come through our academy? I don't know how the hell that contract worked but it's so obviously a loop hole which needs closing to stop clubs from being ripped off like we were. So as it stands Jake is looking forward to the next stage of his career and playing for FC but is also genuinely sad to be leaving the Giants. Now why couldn't the club come out with these facts? We do seem to be a bit lax when it comes to communication with the fans.

Quote HuddsRL5="HuddsRL5"Still going Brearley www.hullfc.com/news/2016-10-08-p ... ake-connor'" Yes Jake is deffo still going. I pay my £5 to the HGSA but always seem to have other commitments when the meetings are on so don't get to hear whats said, but I do know the facts re Jake Connor. Jake signed a contract with Hull FC while Baloo was here as Jake had been told he was not wanted by Baloo. Jake signed what he believed was a pre contract with FC and thought he would be signing the full contract after his birthday, this month. Baloo left and Jake actually signed a contract with the Giants to stay with us. When this was registered with the RFL we were informed that he had a contract with FC already in place. The Giants contacted FC who said they wanted a transfer fee to release Jake from the contract which we refused, don't blame the club why should we pay a fee for a player who has come through our academy? I don't know how the hell that contract worked but it's so obviously a loop hole which needs closing to stop clubs from being ripped off like we were. So as it stands Jake is looking forward to the next stage of his career and playing for FC but is also genuinely sad to be leaving the Giants. Now why couldn't the club come out with these facts? We do seem to be a bit lax when it comes to communication with the fans.

Two reasons why the club did not come out of the facts neither is prticualrly positive in my view.



If Baloo did not want him then that was a coaching decision. It is up to others to determine if that was a mistake or not. Bringing Latne Patrick back and letting Hughes go was a mistake. Was it because of the coach or was it because Wigan wanted Patrick and we demanded a fee. In the end we brought back a player who moved on very quickly. In my view that was a mistake. We could probably have kept Hughes if we had let Patrick go for nothing. They could not say it was Baloos decision at the time because he was under so much pressure and it would have added extra voices to those who said Baloo should go.



Now for those that are bemoaning Connor going are they the same ones who wanted Baloo to stay because either way they are wrong on at least one point.





The second scenario is that although we wanted to keep Connor we thought we could do it on the cheap. Offer him a deal and if he refused and went somewhere else we thought we would be entitled to compensation. In te end the management of Hull FC were a lot cleverer than hours and exploited a loophole which our management had not foreseen. Hence Thelis's bizarre and inncurate rant that if Hull wanted him then they would have to pay us.



The club tell the fans nothing because if they told the truth it would add to those who already raise questions about the management of the club.

How do you work out we could have kept Hughes if we had let Patrick go for nothing? Hughes was OOC at Wigan, Patrick still had a year left.

Because Wigan said they wanted to keep him. Shaun Wane said in the press I want to keep him.



But They then said they were not prepared to pay a transfer fee that the Giants were asking. Go and look at the press reports at the time.



Because we would not let Patrick go for free we had less room on the SC.



I said at the time we should not bring back an unhappy player.



But no we brought him back it was clear he did not want to be here, damaged morales so we let him go to Cas on loan for NO MONEY to get rid. That was 3 months into the season when we were struggling with injuries and had little chance to bring anyone of quality in.



If we had let him go at the end of last season we could have done some better planning for the 2016 season.





If we had let Robbo retire when it was clear he was crocked we could have done some better planning for the 2016 season.



THIS IS NOT FOOKING ROCKET SCIENCE IT IS BASIC FOOKING MANAGEMENT DO YOU NOT GET THAT.



SOMETHING OUR CLUB SEEMS INCAPABLE OF DOING.

So if we had let a player go for nothing you wouldn't have moaned about that? You would rather Wigan bent us over and smacked our backside and had us as a mug? You've moaned about the wY they handled Connor getting nothing for him but you think Wigan should have been able to walk all over us. Yep that would stand us in good stead in future negotiations....

How do you know cas paid us nothing???? You don't. You are happy to believe the press when it's another club but not when it's us. You don't know what the club agreed with cas, and you do t know the negotiations that were discussed with Wigan either.

I never moaned about us gettin nothing for Connor. Personally I don't rate him except as a squad player. Maybe he will prove me wrong.



I moaned about us been to stupid to manage the situation properly





YES I SAID AT THE TIME WITH Patrick we should have got shut, his form had dipped he did not want to be here. Sometimes it is better to cut your losses to move on. If it was a choice of taking a hit on Patrick to get Hughes I would have kissed wanes to seal the deal.



Instead we bring him back when we did not want him and then let him go when it was clear he did not want to play for us.

If I remember correctly we wanted to keep Hughes but he wanted to be nearer home for personal family reasons so went over t'other side of the hill.

Even if that was the case it does not explain us bring Patrick back and waiting for that to explode in our face

You have no idea what the situation was with larne- you have no idea if Wigan actually made hudds an offer or whether they refused to pay a fee at all, you don't know whether they wanted him on the cheap or even made larne an offer at all- for all you know they may have made him an offer and he turned it down as it was less than he was on with the Giants! You have no idea whether we got anything for him when he went to cas either. you are saying it was a bad move- when you don't actually know what the move was!!!! It didn't explode in our face did it- it allowed us to move him off our salary cap and get ikahihifo in in his place.

Larne didn't want to stay at Wigan, he didn't feel accepted and that he fitted in, he felt like an outsider there, he wanted to come back here as he always felt at home here, Paul Anderson didn't have him in his plans and therefore made him look for another club.

Larne wanted to play here and wanted to get his career back on track but was left with no choice. Shame he was messed about as he was a cracking player for us in the past and still had a lot to offer.