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| Quote ste747="ste747"Alan i get what your saying, but i think the very fact that we played the way we did got us into the position we were in at the end of the regular season ie. no one expected us or any team to spread the ball so early so didn't really have the field position to counter it, i think we still need to do that just develop some alternatives if it proves the opposition are waiting for that type of play, i think that the SL coaches whose teams we played against in the qualifiers will have watched our games from 2015 where most of our success came from exactly that type of unconventional play and as others have pointed out it did look as if we didn't know how to play any other way, now being full time i would imagine that is going to be addressed .'"
Good post that.
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| Quote ste747="ste747"Alan i get what your saying, but i think the very fact that we played the way we did got us into the position we were in at the end of the regular season ie. no one expected us or any team to spread the ball so early so didn't really have the field position to counter it, i think we still need to do that just develop some alternatives if it proves the opposition are waiting for that type of play, i think that the SL coaches whose teams we played against in the qualifiers will have watched our games from 2015 where most of our success came from exactly that type of unconventional play and as others have pointed out it did look as if we didn't know how to play any other way, now being full time i would imagine that is going to be addressed .'"
I'm sure that lessons will be learned Ste. Don't get me wrong, I thoroughly enjoyed watching our exciting style of play this season, but was conscious that we repeatedly coughed up possession, and gave away territory through conceding penalties. That wasn't particularly an issue, against some of the 'lesser' Championship teams, (no disrespect intended) but against the better teams we got punished. Those must be areas that are capable of improvement. I'd love to see us continue to play attractive rugby, but maybe moderate it somewhat, so we aren't so profligate with possession.
I'm sure that tiredness, as much as a lack of 'Plan B', was an issue. Perhaps a degree of squad rotation would help in that area - whilst remaining mindful that we need to achieve qualification, for the Qualifiers, of course!?
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Didn't Plan B play George Carter in the Sweeney remake?
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| Quote Alan="Alan"I'm sure that lessons will be learned Ste. Don't get me wrong, I thoroughly enjoyed watching our exciting style of play this season, but was conscious that we repeatedly coughed up possession, and gave away territory through conceding penalties. That wasn't particularly an issue, against some of the 'lesser' Championship teams, (no disrespect intended) but against the better teams we got punished. Those must be areas that are capable of improvement. I'd love to see us continue to play attractive rugby, but maybe moderate it somewhat, so we aren't so profligate with possession.
I'm sure that tiredness, as much as a lack of 'Plan B', was an issue. Perhaps a degree of squad rotation would help in that area - whilst remaining mindful that we need to achieve qualification, for the Qualifiers, of course!?'"
That's not a bad post either.
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| To remain competitive and be able to outhink opposing coaches and their defensive plans you need to evolve your attack, slightly tweeking and changing it as the season unfolds, yes a ' plan B ' would also be a useful tool in our bag
Id suggest more work on certain set plays and ' situation ' tactics, you have be inovative rather than reactive
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| Quote charlie caroli="charlie caroli"INOUT
Didn't Plan B play George Carter in the Sweeney remake?'"
Sure did Ian. Ben Drew was his name. Good film as well by the way, Ray Winstone played a blinder as Jack Regan. 
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"To remain competitive and be able to outhink opposing coaches and their defensive plans you need to evolve your attack, slightly tweeking and changing it as the season unfolds, yes a ' plan B ' would also be a useful tool in our bag
Id suggest more work on certain set plays and ' situation ' tactics, you have be inovative rather than reactive'"
Correct. And It's great that folk on here are identifying areas were we can improve, and I am finding that to be a positive go forward for next year.I hope our coaching staff can also adjust with their team plans/tactics as well.
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| Not sure we need a full change of plan I just think at times we seem to believe we have to score off every set, would rather see us force some repeat sets, we've been very poor at forcing the repeat set this season despite the fact it'd be a great advantage with our attack. Equally I don't think we need to resort to up the jumper 5 drives and a kick in our own half, would rather us keep passing it about as it's caught teams out this year but if we're going to do that we need to greatly improve our defence which has been our weakness at times. We've seemed to have the attitude of it doesn't matter if the opposition score we'll get a chance in a bit, fine in the Championship but not against SL, SL teams will gain momentum and go on a roll. As for a plan B, well obviously it's good if things aren't working but but what it is depends on who you're playing & how they're playing.
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| Quote Lowton_Sparrow="Lowton_Sparrow"Not sure we need a full change of plan I just think at times we seem to believe we have to score off every set, would rather see us force some repeat sets, we've been very poor at forcing the repeat set this season despite the fact it'd be a great advantage with our attack. Equally I don't think we need to resort to up the jumper 5 drives and a kick in our own half, would rather us keep passing it about as it's caught teams out this year but if we're going to do that we need to greatly improve our defence which has been our weakness at times. We've seemed to have the attitude of it doesn't matter if the opposition score we'll get a chance in a bit, fine in the Championship but not against SL, SL teams will gain momentum and go on a roll. [uAs for a plan B, well obviously it's good if things aren't working but but what it is depends on who you're playing & how they're playing.'" [/u
That then requires good management skill from PR.
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| Makes me laugh all this talk about plan b ect when the simple facts are its our defence thats been shocking for the last 2 to 3 months,we've been letting in 30 points plus nearly every game but scoring plenty so for me it all boils down our terrible defence
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| Quote gunners guns13="gunners guns13"Makes me laugh all this talk about plan b ect when the simple facts are its our defence thats been shocking for the last 2 to 3 months,we've been letting in 30 points plus nearly every game but scoring plenty so for me it all boils down our terrible defence'"
I think thats the point many are making, the high risk low % play gives too much possession in our half to our opposition, while in the Championship we can cope, against better teams you get punished, just being better defensively wont work
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"I think thats the point many are making, the high risk low % play gives too much possession in our half to our opposition, while in the Championship we can cope, against better teams you get punished, just being better defensively wont work'" our fringe defence has been woeful for quite a while and that includes when we've had a high percentage completion rate and when how many times have we stop teams getting a roll on,another thing is our silly penaltys im sorry thats cost us more field position than any dropped ball
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