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| Quote charlie caroli="charlie caroli"Andy I agree 100% with every word you say , we don't want to go back to the days of Wigan winning 8 CC Finals on the trot ,even some Wigan fans got bored with that , look at Cas last night ,Darryl Powell has showed what can be achieved .'"
If it were up to me Daryl Powell would be coaching England mate.
He had a period of dominance in the Championship with Fev then picked up the mess Millward left behind at Cas and quickly turned it round. Despite having some of his better players cherry picked every year by bigger clubs he keeps them competitive and the brand of RL they play lives up to the name "Classy Cas".
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| some fair points but little clubs where busy winning titles and challenge cups before the salary cap into fore not just competing.
Halifax and Leigh 2 clubs who won the title in the 80's.
Featherstone, Hull KR 2 clubs who won the cup in the 80's.
During Wigans dominance Widnes won the league more than once.
Salary cap just hasnt worked at any level.
At the elite level its helped to force star players out of the game.
In Wigans dominant period we had the most competitive national side and more publicity nationwide as we have ever had.
Players were household names...
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| Quote SRW1996="SRW1996"Spot on Charlie [uwe need to just learn lessons and admit that we haven't been good enough in these eights its that simple[/u. You only really need to beat the 3 championship teams and you would be in the 1m game though its not over yet and we could scrape in.
[uI'm sick of hearing the excuse of the cap[/u, Halifax didn't sit around worrying about status or cap and have been competitive throughout especially playing against us spending 1m as a FT professional club with all the trimmings they out coached, out enthused us and kicked our ass.
Also these folk calling for increased cap without any understanding of how a clubs finances operate need to remember the cap is there for a very good reason to stop clubs going balls out, poop or bust for Super League spending money they don't have. We have been there many times before and would hate to see us make the same mistakes again......'"
You say we haven't been good enough,so really, we need better players which would cost more.
Then you're saying you are sick of hearing excuses about the salary cap. A bit of contradiction there.
My point is that the salary cap should be increased in the leagues out side of SL to make a bit more of a level playing field. Also the transfer deadline should be looked at.
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| Quote Cokey="Cokey"
My point is that the salary cap should be increased in the leagues out side of SL to make a bit more of a level playing field. Also the transfer deadline should be looked at.'"
I agree. In the current system promotion to SL is just an illusion, a scrap thrown down by the RFL to try and make the competitions mean something at the back end of the season.
There's a live cap system in place to prevent clubs overspending. Why not take the average salary of the bottom 4 SL clubs (as although the have the right to spend £1.8 million, I'm not convinced they all are) and allow Championship clubs who can prove they have the income to support that level of salary be allowed to pay that much.
Also, the signing deadline needs to be moved to much earlier in the season, I'd suggest around May time as that will prevent clubs signing a brand new side the week before the middle 8's start and produce a more level playing field come the middle 8 competition.
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| Quote roofaldo2="roofaldo2"I agree. In the current system promotion to SL is just an illusion, a scrap thrown down by the RFL to try and make the competitions mean something at the back end of the season.
There's a live cap system in place to prevent clubs overspending. Why not take the average salary of the bottom 4 SL clubs (as although the have the right to spend £1.8 million, I'm not convinced they all are) and allow Championship clubs who can prove they have the income to support that level of salary be allowed to pay that much.
Also, the signing deadline needs to be moved to much earlier in the season, I'd suggest around May time as that will prevent clubs signing a brand new side the week before the middle 8's start and produce a more level playing field come the middle 8 competition.'"
Can't argue with that.
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| Quote Cokey="Cokey"You say we haven't been good enough,so really, we need better players which would cost more.
Then you're saying you are sick of hearing excuses about the salary cap. A bit of contradiction there.
My point is that the salary cap should be increased in the leagues out side of SL to make a bit more of a level playing field. Also the transfer deadline should be looked at.'"
Derek , maybe the Salary Cap should be increased ,nowt wrong with that what worries me is if we blatantly ignore the Cap and sign whichever player we can , it's great for the Fans to get to see the best players but you can't just ignore the rules, look what happened at Barrow when Dessie was ruling them, he overspent .the Club was punished ,the rest is History, I wouldn't want that for our great club.
And what would happen if we were allowed to overspend,then heaven forbid for some reason Derek decided he wanted out,who would pay the players large contracts then?I admire Derek for wanting the best at Leigh, I've already mentioned some players to you, but at what price?
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| Quote Cokey="Cokey"You say we haven't been good enough,so really, we need better players which would cost more. =#FF0000Not necessarily, playing devils advocate you could argue better management of the existing roster may have seen us finish off the job against KR and Wakey and certainly with the calibre of player and current resources we have we should be beating part time teams like Fax with all due respect to them.
Then you're saying you are sick of hearing excuses about the salary cap. A bit of contradiction there. =#BF0000Not sure how?, having said that we are the only club I've heard whinging about it in the eights consistently since it became apparent we were falling short.
My point is that the salary cap should be increased in the leagues out side of SL to make a bit more of a level playing field. Also the transfer deadline should be looked at.'"
=#FF0000Richard Marshall at Fax with less than half our cap spend and without FT staff and players has managed to equal our achievements in the eights so far and turn us over also. Not heard him bleating about our significant advantages we have over them he's just got on with it.
=#FF0000In summary and in my opinion we have haven't been good enough on the whole in this eights series and im pretty sure Derek and Paul know this and id suggest with or without reinforcements must improve next year if we want to do better surely?
=#FF0000The answer in life isn't always to throw money at a problem.
=#FF0000With the above said win tomorrow and remarkably we still have a chance!!!!
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| Just a point on the salary cap, no where in the article in the MEN does Derek say we will break it nor is he quoted. Re-read what is actually written.
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| Quote Tipster Ste="Tipster Ste"Just a point on the salary cap, no where in the article in the MEN does Derek say we will break it nor is he quoted. Re-read what is actually written.'"
Well said Ste, And also for SRW1996, I never mentioned breaking the salary cap in my post either.
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| Quote Cokey="Cokey"Well said Ste, And also for SRW1996, I never mentioned breaking the salary cap in my post either.'"
I never said you did pal.
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| Quote SRW1996="SRW1996"I never said you did pal.'"
No you didn't. You just said you was sick of hearing excuses about the salary cap. What excuses?
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Quote Cokey="Cokey"[size=150No you didn't.[/size You just said you was sick of hearing excuses about the salary cap. What excuses?'"
Thanks for clarifying that.
sportinglife.aol.co.uk/rugby-lea ... n-reaction
"The Super League club's finances have a bit to do with it but it's proving an impossible dream at the moment for Championship clubs."
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Quote Cokey="Cokey"[size=150No you didn't.[/size You just said you was sick of hearing excuses about the salary cap. What excuses?'"
Thanks for clarifying that.
sportinglife.aol.co.uk/rugby-lea ... n-reaction
"The Super League club's finances have a bit to do with it but it's proving an impossible dream at the moment for Championship clubs."
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