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| Quote B'wood Bob="B'wood Bob"At the end of last season Ben Barba got bombed to death in the NRL playoffs and the Bulldogs lost. He spent the off-season practising under the high kicks and came out this season to be one of the world's best attacking fullbacks and has won just about every honour a player can get recently. D'ya not think Tomkins could maybe spend some time improving his "poor" areas as there's not a lot else going to occupy his winter this year.
As far as I'm aware the Tomkins family lived in Warrington when Joel was born but had moved down to MK before Sam was, so he has no allegiance to us, and thinks of himself as a Wiganer. He'll never sign for the Wire. We'll just have to see whether he wants to stay in RL and go down under or follow Joel and play RU as he's openly said he's not going to leave Wigan [uyet[/u.'"
He was a Wire fan as a kid. He even said himself on Supermen when interviewing someone who played in the Sheffield CC win over Wigan "I was cheering on Sheffield that day as I was a Warrington fan".
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| Quote getdownmonkeyman="getdownmonkeyman"He can go to RU and name his price for the foreseeable future. I wouldn't be surprised to see him take the RU corn, can't say I would blame him, either.'"
He'll go to the NRL.
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| I'm suprised Wigan Fans havent been laughing at the poor Quality of this list of fullbacks......!!!
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Phil Clarke would have him somewhere above Inglis just below Slater i'd guess...
seriously though that is one list of fullbacks and wooden spooner Jarrod Hayne isnt in it....???
why cant England beat Australia again.............
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| If your going to break the bank for the best No.1 in the game then you should be looking at Billy Slater, Greg Inglis, Ben barba or Nathan Merritt... All 4 are superior to Tomkins.. but, just like Tomkins, none are available.
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| Quote the flying biscuit="the flying biscuit"I'm suprised Wigan Fans havent been laughing at the poor Quality of this list of fullbacks......!!!
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Phil Clarke would have him somewhere above Inglis just below Slater i'd guess...
seriously though that is one list of fullbacks and wooden spooner Jarrod Hayne isnt in it....???
why cant England beat Australia again.............'"
As everyone knows it's because in this country RL is a minority sport, whereas in Australia it's second only to AFL and attracts some of it's finest athletes.
I would say that Sam is better than any of New Zealand's fullbacks though, which means there's a chance of beating them, on home soil at least.
Where would you rank Tomkins amongst the fullbacks of the NRL? Personally I'd say about seventh or eighth.
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| Quote jdrocket="jdrocket"Better fullbacks? I'll probably see two in the same team on Saturday (pssst they play for Warrington)'"
we have a full back which can attack is safe undr the high ball,can tackle,can create trys and score trys and comes across as a level headed and well liked individual,so why would we want someone who can just attack and score the odd try,throws a tantrum and lets a 40-20 ball go into touch...and your spot on with your comment mr rocket
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| Quote sir adrian morley="sir adrian morley"we have a full back which can attack is safe undr the high ball,can tackle,can create trys and score trys and comes across as a level headed and well liked individual,so why would we want someone who can just attack and score the odd try,throws a tantrum and lets a 40-20 ball go into touch...and your spot on with your comment mr rocket'"
How can you say Sam scores "the odd try" when he's second in the top try scorers behind Josh Charnley. Tomkins has more than twice as many try assists, 33 compared to 14! He has also made twice as many meters this season and put in 33 more tackles. Granted he needs some work under the high ball but it's very rarely an issue and I can only think of two games where he seriously struggled but I guess biased people will only see biased views. I think Hodgson is one of the best players we have had in Super League but get a grip Sam Tomkins is class and would walk into any team in this country.
Sam Tomkins
28 Tries
465 Carries
39 Clean Breaks
3438 Meters
21 Offloads
152 Tackle Busts
33 Try Assists
111 Tackles
Brett Hodgson
6 Tries
218 Carries
7 Clean Breaks
1420 Meters
9 Offloads
28 Tackle Busts
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| Quote TrentBarrett="TrentBarrett"Sam Tomkins is class and would walk into any team in this country.'"
Agreed. Some of those statistics are unbelievable, it must be one of the best seasons ever from an individual player.
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| Quote FireWire="FireWire"Agreed. Some of those statistics are unbelievable, it must be one of the best seasons ever from an individual player.'"
I must say I do think Hodgson is world class and has proved it on every stage possible. A 23 year old Brett would rack up equally as substantial stats and the fact he's one of the best players in the league at 34! shows how much of a rugby league great he is.
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| Quote TrentBarrett="TrentBarrett"I must say I do think Hodgson is world class and has proved it on every stage possible. A 23 year old Brett would rack up equally as substantial stats and the fact he's one of the best players in the league at 34! shows how much of a rugby league great he is.'"
Its almost unbelievable that he can still perform at the level he does... what a player. It's no wonder we gave him another 2 year contract.. his quality show no signs of tailing off... obviously he cant play every week. But in the current setup, he doesn't need to.
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| Quote morleys_deckchair="morleys_deckchair"Its almost unbelievable that he can still perform at the level he does... what a player. It's no wonder we gave him another 2 year contract.. his quality show no signs of tailing off... obviously he cant play every week. But in the current setup, he doesn't need to.'"
I didn't watch any NRL or State of Origin till about 3 years ago, but I've been watching the classic games they have on Fox and I gained so much more appreciation for the likes of Andrew Johns, Gordan Tallis and Brett Hodgson. I would easily consider Brett one of your finest super league signings.
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| Those are some excellent statistics, although I would like to point out a few you left out:
Sam Tomkins:
Tackles 111
Missed Tackles 22
Errors 28
Brett Hodgson:
Tackles 78
Missed Tackles 4
Errors 16
I imagine Brett has played fewer games this season which may account for some of the errors, and Tomkins has fewer penalties given away (5 compared to 9), but 1 missed tackle for every 5 tackles is poor for one of the most important defensive positions in the game.
EDIT: actually, having gone through the stats, that's still better than most full backs in SL - only Leeds, Saints and Hull (as well as us) have better than that, and none of them close to Brett's missing 1 for every 20 made. I also noticed Mathers made 68 tackles this season and missed 35, that's an awful ratio.
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