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| I wouldn't boo our players but to be honest people get too worked up about this, fans pay their ticket prices and are entitled to have their opinion. Obviously you don't want obscene personal abuse but if someone wants to voice their opinion on whether a player is good or bad that's part of the game, players put themselves up to play in front of an audience and thats what comes with it, it's like being a stand up comedian you are going to get hecklers if you are no good.
When people say Wire fans were hypocrites because they booed Matt King in his first season and then hero worshipped him after that, thats because King wasn't that good in his first season and after that he was quality so its not really hypocrisy its just that our fans are harsh critics and expect high standards.
Waterhouse isn't a kid making his first team debut, he's a top player whose played at representative level in Australia and was one of the top performers in the NRL and from the evidence of NRL forums their fans are not exactly politically correct when it comes to voicing their opinions on players who are struggling for form, so he's not going to have heard anything here that he hasn't heard in Aus.
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| I really have never understood the argument about people having paid their money and being entitled to voice their opinion. We all have opinions and that’s what following a team is all about. But that argument is typical of the sports fans as a consumer. We are part of the event, rather than mere bystanders. We are there to help the team during matches. We are supporters, not customers. So, if, things don’t immediately go our way against Cas (or any other game), as they might not, we have to stick with the team. If a player makes a mistake, let’s get behind him and encourage him rather than compound the error by sending anxiety his way the next time he’s on the ball or got an opposition player running at him. We have a team of good lads, they don't want us to lose and booing them will only make things worse.
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| I am concerned as to his fitness level. In recent games he seems to spend a good deal of time with his hands on his knees gasping for breath.If he is not fit for whatever reason he should not be playing. He played well at the beginning of the season but his form has taken a nosedive in recent matches.However the "fans" who booed him should be ashamed of themselves.......
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| Quote sally cinnamon="sally cinnamon"I wouldn't boo our players but to be honest people get too worked up about this, fans pay their ticket prices and are entitled to have their opinion. Obviously you don't want obscene personal abuse but if someone wants to voice their opinion on whether a player is good or bad that's part of the game, players put themselves up to play in front of an audience and thats what comes with it, it's like being a stand up comedian you are going to get hecklers if you are no good.
When people say Wire fans were hypocrites because they booed Matt King in his first season and then hero worshipped him after that, thats because King wasn't that good in his first season and after that he was quality so its not really hypocrisy its just that our fans are harsh critics and expect high standards.
Waterhouse isn't a kid making his first team debut, he's a top player whose played at representative level in Australia and was one of the top performers in the NRL and from the evidence of NRL forums their fans are not exactly politically correct when it comes to voicing their opinions on players who are struggling for form, so he's not going to have heard anything here that he hasn't heard in Aus.'"
I don't know if you are fishing or not. You usually are. I suppose that comes with the territory of you being such a good master baiter.
I don't agree with you opinion of paying the ticket and gatting cart blanche; as well as you're parrallel witha stand up comedian.
Firstly, the pay your money, say what you want attitude. We'll ignore the ruining the experience for other paying people and the obvious lack of class. It is also ultimately detrminetal tot he team. The guy has come over from Australia and is adapting (australia where it is a lot more queit in the crowd than here) and the last thing we need is a bunch of brain dead fans shooting his confidence up the wall because they don't understand what it is like to see Wire out of form.
Secondly, the stand up comedian thought. Apart from the fact that they are completely different feilds and chances ar that Trent has been working for 25 years at his trade, while a comedian has been working maybe 3 or 4 for both to be used to the same abuse. What I am saying is that a comedien's job (in most cases) is to be quick and ready for heckles and booing. If they can't do that then they are uselsss- while trent's primary job is playing rugby and shouldn't have to be booed. He isn't trained or equiped to deal with such abuse from the fans. He is jsut trying to do his job.
Now this may be making Trent out to be a softy and chances are that he is fine. But, I still find the implications of and rudeness of chanting at him to be disgusting. If he took drugs and gauged a player's eyes and confronted a referee and/or threw a ball at a child, so be it. but he is just doing his job to the best of his ability at the moment and people are getting on him. A better job anology would be a concert pianist. In fact, I bet ont one person boos a runner at the olympics. I bet no onehas booed Oxford or Cambridge at the boat race.
Any way, if Daniel Anderson wants him in the team, that'll do for me.
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| Quote garyhulsefan="garyhulsefan"I really have never understood the argument about people having paid their money and being entitled to voice their opinion. We all have opinions and that’s what following a team is all about. But that argument is typical of the sports fans as a consumer. We are part of the event, rather than mere bystanders. We are there to help the team during matches. We are supporters, not customers. So, if, things don’t immediately go our way against Cas (or any other game), as they might not, we have to stick with the team. If a player makes a mistake, let’s get behind him and encourage him rather than compound the error by sending anxiety his way the next time he’s on the ball or got an opposition player running at him. We have a team of good lads, they don't want us to lose and booing them will only make things worse.'"
This sums it up for me. I hate the idea that if you pay your money you can act like a moron. Being half drunk and ignorant often adds to the problem. We all want Warrington to do well but "creating anxiety" as mentioned above really does not help at all.
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| waterhouse has had to do a lot of defending in his first few games here as have the rest of the forwards. I think our left edge is taking a bit more of a pounding than our right edge and that was clear from the first game at Hull away. Teams are targeting Mylers side more than they didlast year. Teams know they will get very little change out of Westwood, Bridge and Monaghan. Louis anderson also had the luxury of Solomona coming on after 25 minutes to cause havoc down the left, Waterhouse may not have that when you factor in fewer interchanges. I am not a big one for Stats but when compared with another left second rower (Gaz Hock) he has made nearly 100 more tackles in one game less. The fella deserves a break but he is a big name aussie so unless he is scattering bodies every time he takes a hit up he will be looked upon as a failure to the wire faithful. When you look at some of the big name aussie forwards we have had here do we expect too much from them?
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| Quote Deus Dat Incrementum="Deus Dat Incrementum"waterhouse has had to do a lot of defending in his first few games here as have the rest of the forwards. I think our left edge is taking a bit more of a pounding than our right edge and that was clear from the first game at Hull away. Teams are targeting Mylers side more than they didlast year. Teams know they will get very little change out of Westwood, Bridge and Monaghan. Louis anderson also had the luxury of Solomona coming on after 25 minutes to cause havoc down the left, Waterhouse may not have that when you factor in fewer interchanges. I am not a big one for Stats but when compared with another left second rower (Gaz Hock) he has made nearly 100 more tackles in one game less. The fella deserves a break but he is a big name aussie so unless he is scattering bodies every time he takes a hit up he will be looked upon as a failure to the wire faithful. When you look at some of the big name aussie forwards we have had here do we expect too much from them?'"
Good post.
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| Quote garyhulsefan="garyhulsefan"I really have never understood the argument about people having paid their money and being entitled to voice their opinion. We all have opinions and that’s what following a team is all about. But that argument is typical of the sports fans as a consumer. We are part of the event, rather than mere bystanders. We are there to help the team during matches. We are supporters, not customers. So, if, things don’t immediately go our way against Cas (or any other game), as they might not, we have to stick with the team. If a player makes a mistake, let’s get behind him and encourage him rather than compound the error by sending anxiety his way the next time he’s on the ball or got an opposition player running at him. We have a team of good lads, they don't want us to lose and booing them will only make things worse.'"
Do you remember the home game against Castleford (last of Cullen's reign). Were the fans entitled to "boo" then or should they have been more supportive? Maybe if we were more supportive we would not have appointed Tony Smith in the long run.
The hard fact is that there is a charge to watch the game imposed by the club. We are by virtue customers, consumers of a sporting event and merchandise if you like. The better we play the more come and watch. It's a leisure spend now for many as it is not cheap to support the Wire with a family. We probably have a hard-core of 3-4K who would watch us if we fell out of SL and with the also-rans.
In my experience the most ardent critics when we are not playing well are a) those with most games in and b) those who follow the team assiduously - home and away.
Coaches, players, conditioners etc come and go - they are all merely custodians of a club that is rooted in history and they are answerable to the fans through the turnstyle.
In summary. Pay your money you are entitled to voice opinion - positive or otherwise.
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| he's ordinary in my opinion, but the whole team has been ordinary, plus he isnt as bad as Matt King was in his first 18 months. So i dont get how people can single one player out to boo.
As already mentioned Paul wood who was excellent last season is atrocious at the moment, Carvell is shocking, Bridge out of sorts, both Monaghans gone AWOL one much more than the other......... the list goes on Lee Briers is ordinary, and whats with the tramp look?? it doesnt suit him and he spends all game moving his fringe out of his eyes ... Brian clough wouldnt have stood for that.
lets all boo Lee Briers ridiculous haircut please........
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| Quote Wires71="Wires71"In my experience the most ardent critics when we are not playing well are a) those with most games in and b) those who follow the team assiduously - home and away.'"
I can't agree with this at all. In my experience the fans who have "most games in" and "follow the team assiduously - home and away" tend to be much more forgiving (to the point of too forgiving) about performances. Being a Warrington fan falling into the two categories above you'd have worried yourself into an early grave over the last 20 or so years if you weren't forgiving of under-performing teams.
I find the most ardent critics can generally be found in the pub watching the game on Sky.
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| Quote Wires71="Wires71"Do you remember the home game against Castleford (last of Cullen's reign). Were the fans entitled to "boo" then or should they have been more supportive? Maybe if we were more supportive we would not have appointed Tony Smith in the long run.
The hard fact is that there is a charge to watch the game imposed by the club. We are by virtue customers, consumers of a sporting event and merchandise if you like. The better we play the more come and watch. It's a leisure spend now for many as it is not cheap to support the Wire with a family. We probably have a hard-core of 3-4K who would watch us if we fell out of SL and with the also-rans.
In my experience the most ardent critics when we are not playing well are a) those with most games in and b) those who follow the team assiduously - home and away.
Coaches, players, conditioners etc come and go - they are all merely custodians of a club that is rooted in history and they are answerable to the fans through the turnstyle.
In summary. Pay your money you are entitled to voice opinion - positive or otherwise.'"
How would you feel if we lose to Castleford at home on the weekend and Tony decides to jack it in like Cullen did? People booed that day because we needed a change, people are booing today because we've been spoilt over the past few years by the best team I've seen in my years of service as a wire. At the end of the day a few people booing isn't going to make the people at the top make big decisions, or make the manager 'answerable', I'm sure a chairman or whoever would be able to see that for themselves. Booing is only going to dent the players. I didn't boo that day for the record.
I agree with the above that the people who follow us as much as they can tend to be more forgiving than the 'armchair' fan.
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| If we hadn't have had the season we had last year, and instead had this season as our 2011 season and comparing that to our 2010 season would we be complaing now?
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