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| Quote Rogues Gallery="Rogues Gallery"McIlorum is a better hooker than Clarke or Higham.
Hansen is better than McArthy or Harrison
Leuluai and Carmont would get into any Superleague squad.
All IMO of course.'"
And IMO
Clarke and Higham are internationals and still not our first choice hooker
Harrison is an international
and Leuluai and Carmont may get into any other superleague squad but not ours
So perhaps the Wigan players are average after all??????
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| Should be a great game, looking forward to it. Hoping for a Wire win just because they play the more entertaining rugby. Also disagree with Leuluai being average, I think he's a top player.
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| Quote jdrocket="jdrocket"I laughed heartily.
pretty sure that Wire, Saints Leeds, Hudds and maybe Hull KR wouldn't want =#FF4000Leuluai and Carmont. IMO of course.'"
In the first team, possibly not given most sides in the top 8 have a good quality Scrum Half. But the initial point was that he wouldn't make the squad.
I'd imagine Rovers would like him in their squad given his versatility and the fact that they're missing their SH for a while. Ditto St.Helens. Hudds and yourselves have plenty of players for that position, so he wouldn't get in there.
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| I rate Leuluai quite highly, but as a hooker not a scrum half. Mcllorum is just a distributer, and whilst he's a solid defender, I don't think he's the type to take control of the ruck.
Also the guy who thought Hansen is better than Harrison is a little blinkered. I'd put them on a par at best.
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| Quote Guerrier="Guerrier"In the first team, possibly not given most sides in the top 8 have a good quality Scrum Half. But the initial point was that he wouldn't make the squad.
I'd imagine Rovers would like him in their squad given his versatility and the fact that they're missing their SH for a while. Ditto St.Helens. Hudds and yourselves have plenty of players for that position, so he wouldn't get in there.'"
My intial point was them not making the seventeen man squad. They'd probably get a gig at Keighley away or if we had a run of injuries. There are players in our team that wouldn't get into Wigan's. Swings and roundabouts, it isn't against the law to amdit that all of your players aren't world class. Unless you're Saints.
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| McIlurum is a top hooker, wouldnt call him average. Leuluai a bit over rated IMO. BRING ON TOMMORROW ( and hopefully its beer garden weather for the pre match drinks) 
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| Quote Galloping Ghost="Galloping Ghost"Great preview. I think Wigans defensive mentality will be hard to break. If you look down their squad there are alot of average players, but Maguire has instilled a great discipline and belief in the squad. It seems to be running straight through the club as you see when the youngsters come in they have the same attributes.'"
Quote Galloping Ghost="Galloping Ghost"Alot was probably a bit of an exagertation. I'd say Goulding, Carmont, Leuluai, Hansen, Coley and McIlorum are all average. Wigan are succesful by having a great coach and a great set-up throughout the club. Three outstanding world class talents in Richards, O'Loughlin and Tomkins. Saints carried players like Arnold, Jonkers, Edmondsen, West etc for many years. The same is happening at Wigan. I think your core three are better than most others.'"
Who would you say were the average players in the Warrington 17?
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| Quote MattyB="MattyB"Who would you say were the average players in the Warrington 17?'"
To be honest, there aren't any
OK, there are some who aren't as good as others, but that's life
Higham isn't the best player in SL, but is still agood SL player
Clarke is at the twilight of his career, but is still more than effective at what he brings to our game (distribution, backing up, tackling)
Grix is far from average
Mitchell is growing in confidence in our set up again, after not getting into our 17 man squad for a while
They are probably the nearest that you'd call our "poorer players" from our 17, but NO WAY, would you call them even average.
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| Quote MattyB="MattyB"Who would you say were the average players in the Warrington 17?'"
Chris Riley
Ryan Atkins
Richie Myler(only 20)
Mickey Higham
Simon Grix
Lee Mitchell
Matty Blythe.
Alot of our players are made to look better by the supporting cast as well. All do a decent job and what is asked of them. Not saying they're bad players.
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| Quote Istilldontbelieveit="Istilldontbelieveit"I rate Leuluai quite highly, but as a hooker not a scrum half. Mcllorum is just a distributer, and whilst he's a solid defender, I don't think he's the type to take control of the ruck.'"
What this guy said!
When STomkins, Finch, Deacon, Leuluai & McIllorum are all fit, I think we'll find McIllorum dumped to the bench. He's average at best.
Quote Istilldontbelieveit="Istilldontbelieveit"Also the guy who thought Hansen is better than Harrison is a little blinkered. I'd put them on a par at best.'"
More than blinkered, that's just Cherry & S*ite trashtalk! 
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| Quote Rogues Gallery="Rogues Gallery"Hansen is better than Harrison
Carmont would get into any Superleague squad.'"
do me a favour 
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| Quote Galloping Ghost="Galloping Ghost"My intial point was them not making the seventeen man squad. They'd probably get a gig at Keighley away or if we had a run of injuries. There are players in our team that wouldn't get into Wigan's. Swings and roundabouts, it isn't against the law to amdit that all of your players aren't world class. Unless you're Saints.'"
That's why I didn't disagree with your description of Goulding, for instance, as 'average'.
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