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| Quote Early Bath="Early Bath"Bungs.
Well it doesnt take Albert Einstein to work out that backhanders have been going on since time immemorial.
Its a fact of life in Rugby League.
Every club has been involved - probably all 3 Divisions.
Players know this situation applies and it is all part of their `deal`.
Anybody disagree? If not time to move on and the Bulls to stay where they are in the Championship.'"
Agreed, had hoped Leigh would fall on their Arris and Bradford would wipe the floor with them, seems now I've got to hope Halifax or Sheffield do it to them both.
As for the obvious payments off book to players the minute one avenue closes the clubs/owners will just find a different one.
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| Quote Magic Superbeetle="Magic Superbeetle"Unlike the Bosman case, no single player can actively claim their rights have been breached (unlike the situation you describe that ultimately led to the Bosman rule). There are lots of examples for individuals having rights breached by over arching organisation agreements
(most recently a class action against 4 tech companies and a non competition agreement in Silicon Valley.) Both the Bosman rule and the mentioned example were also breaching rights of individuals outside of contract. The SC is strictly dealing with individuals IN contract, and you can sign away human rights in contract let alone allow the RFL to assign a number based on salary, appearance, bonuses, years of employment, previous employers etc and as a competition only allow a 25 man squad registered add up to so much.
Those alone make the "rfls comp, rfls rules" applicable here.'"
A single player can actively claim their rights have been breached. Even using the logic you seem to be using here, a player cannot earn say £2m a year. That he could do so doing a different job is irrelevant (or that would make it impossible for any restraint to ever exist in anything)
Besides, even if 'in theory' this didnt impact a players rights, if 'in practice' it did, it could still be ruled an illegal restraint.
The other problem you have is that until a players contract is registered, he cannot have acquiesced to any RFL stipulation because he cannot have a playing contract, nor can he be a player under RFL rules. Because the RFL have no agreement with him, they are refusing to do so. The SC does not strictly deal with players in contract, it strictly doesnt, it strictly deals with players not in contract. Because thats what the SC deals with, new contracts, not existing ones.
It is far close to Bosman than you imagine, the issue with Bosman was he was a player, out of contract, who couldnt transfer his registration because of a restriction imposed by Fifa. If Salford were to offer me X amount and that contract were to take me over the SC so the RFL refused my registration, i would be a player, out of contract, who couldnt transfer his registration because of a restriction imposed by fifa.
Should the SC be found legal, its reasoning would be that it is pro-competitive, those arguments are hard to make when you look at the actual recent history of the game.
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| Quote Early Bath="Early Bath"Bungs.
Well it doesnt take Albert Einstein to work out that backhanders have been going on since time immemorial.
Its a fact of life in Rugby League.
Every club has been involved - probably all 3 Divisions.
Players know this situation applies and it is all part of their `deal`.
Anybody disagree? If not time to move on and the Bulls to stay where they are in the Championship.'"
Absolutely correct. I’m pretty certain that technically every club will have broke the rules in some way, however small. For instance take Warrington, it’s fairly common knowledge their players are privileged to get concert tickets from a club director who happens to be a music promoter. Where does the line stop with these rules? A Wembley or Grand Final celebration party dinner, a trip to the races, a few hundred quid in the pot towards mad Monday or even a free beer? Rules are rules aren’t they? The holier-than-thou, high ground stance from some people is laughable. If somebody stole a pound or a million pounds they are still a thief.
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| Just seen a Marwan tweet mentioning 2 tribunals and 2 fines this morning.
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| Quote theredshed="theredshed"Absolutely correct. I’m pretty certain that technically every club will have broke the rules in some way, however small. For instance take Warrington, it’s fairly common knowledge their players are privileged to get concert tickets from a club director who happens to be a music promoter. Where does the line stop with these rules? A Wembley or Grand Final celebration party dinner, a trip to the races, a few hundred quid in the pot towards mad Monday or even a free beer? Rules are rules aren’t they? The holier-than-thou, high ground stance from some people is laughable. If somebody stole a pound or a million pounds they are still a thief.'"
Yes and obviously some clubs have been more successful than others. And no doubt more successful at covering their tracks.
In terms of our progress this goes under the category of 'typical Salford' as it has been about as worthwhile as the people who were prosecuted for looting in the Manchester riots of 2011 who came away from a supermarket break in with a family bag of Monster Munch.
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| Demon you got the details of that Tweet by the doc mate?
Also, whats gonna happen to the club then if any wrong doing is found to have been carried, are we set for another pointless season?? Ta
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| Quote redwolf="redwolf"Also, whats gonna happen to the club then if any wrong doing is found to have been carried, are we set for another pointless season?? Ta'"
The Salford Scene (John Gilbert Reds on here, I believe) is suggesting on twitter that we could potentially face a 20 point reduction.
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| Quote MarioRugby="MarioRugby"The Salford Scene (John Gilbert Reds on here, I believe) is suggesting on twitter that we could potentially face a 20 point reduction.'"
If Salford have a case or cases to answer, it could be one or a combination of sanctions, varying from a slap on the wrist to heavy competition points deductions and suspensions for players and club officials. There are a lot of mitigating factors though (7.12).
Quote MarioRugbySUPER LEAGUE SALARY CAP REGULATIONS
E. Investigations/Case to Answer
7.9 … Where an Off Field Operational Rules Tribunal determines that a Salary Cap Offence has been
committed, it shall be entitled to impose any one or more of the following sanctions that it
deems appropriate, having regard to all of the circumstances of the case:
(a) a caution, reprimand and/or warning as to future conduct;
(b) a fine;
(c) in the case of a Club, the deduction of up to 20 Competition points;
(d) in the case of a Club, the imposition of a restriction on the Club’s ability to register any new Players;
(e) in the case of a Club, the making of a recommendation to the RFL’s Board to withdraw the Club’s right to participate in the Super League competition or any other competition or event authorised, convened or organised by the RFL; and/or
(f) in the case of Players or other Persons subject to the Operational Rules, suspension from involvement in the game of rugby league.
7.10 For the avoidance of doubt, the Off Field Operational Rules Tribunal will have no jurisdiction to adjust, reverse or amend any of a Club’s individual Match results in the Super League competition or other competitions authorised, convened or organised by the RFL.
7.11 Having determined that a Salary Cap Offence has been committed, prior to determining the applicable sanction(s), the Off Field Operational Rules Tribunal will identify all relevant factors that it deems to aggravate the nature of the Salary Cap Offence. Aggravating factors may include the following:
(a) an absence or lack or remorse and/or contrition;
(b) whether the Party has been found guilty of any Salary Cap Offence(s) in previous Salary Cap Years or under predecessor regulations;
(c) the relative degree of fault, including in particular whether there had been any deliberate misrepresentation and/or intention to cheat;
(d) whether the Salary Cap Offence substantially damaged or had the potential to substantially damage the competitive balance of the Super League competition or any other Competition;
(e) whether the welfare and interests of a Player has been endangered;
(f) whether the HSCR had provided the party with a warning as to future conduct; and/or
(g) any other aggravating factor(s) that the Off Field Operational Rules Tribunal considers relevant and appropriate.
7.12 Having determined that a Salary Cap Offence has been committed and taken into account any aggravating factors in accordance with Clause 7.11, the Off Field Operational Rules Tribunal will then identify all relevant factors that it deems to mitigate the nature of the Salary Cap Offence. Mitigating factors may include the following:
(a) the presence and timing of an admission of guilt;
(b) no prior Salary Cap Offences;
(c) full cooperation with the Compliance Team;
(d) minimal impact of the Salary Cap Offence upon the competitive balance of the Super League competition;
(e) the relative degree of fault (e.g. where the Salary Cap Offence was unavoidable, accidental or inadvertent); and/or
(f) any other mitigating factor(s) that the Off Field Operational Rules Tribunal or considers relevant and appropriate. '"
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| Quote MarioRugby="MarioRugby"Quote MarioRugby="redwolf"Also, whats gonna happen to the club then if any wrong doing is found to have been carried, are we set for another pointless season?? Ta'"
The Salford Scene (John Gilbert Reds on here, I believe) is suggesting on twitter that we could potentially face a 20 point reduction.'"
Neil Barker (Mario Rugby on here) is recycling thoughts of JG from months and months ago.
As an ex MEN reporter & FREE Press Pass to the best seats but now a prominent figure at Leigh (so dismiss the word `we` in his posts) he really should be trying to win friends and influencing people rather than the opposite. Redwolf - take his comments with a pinch of salt.
Neil - you really ought to change your tune - the old days of bashing Salford have gone. Time for you to move on and find another angle elsewhere. Remember you will have to pay like the rest of us to watch Salford from now on.
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| Quote Early Bath="Early Bath"Neil Barker (Mario Rugby on here) is recycling thoughts of JG from months and months ago.
As an ex MEN reporter & FREE Press Pass to the best seats but now a prominent figure at Leigh (so dismiss the word `we` in his posts) he really should be trying to win friends and influencing people rather than the opposite. Redwolf - take his comments with a pinch of salt.
Neil - you really ought to change your tune - the old days of bashing Salford have gone. Time for you to move on and find another angle elsewhere. Remember you will have to pay like the rest of us to watch Salford from now on.'"
They seek them here,they seek them there.
People seek Mario and/or Neil everywhere.
Are they in Wigan or are they in Leigh.
Are the one liners done for free?
When it comes to Rugby League
They tend to give people severe fatigue
It may change over the years
When the Leigh Business Development ends in tears.
Mario and/or Neil could be out on their ears.
But will the tweets continue to come.
Will we be guaranteed to have some fun.
Reading the reports in the MEN.
That contain more than one line,hopefully ten.
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| Do we have photo of Neil /Mario so we can put up a NOT Wanted post in mock western style around the ground lol
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