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| Quote Karlos13="Karlos13"After reading the last few posts from the usual suspects, it seems we should be thanking Sale moving in for saving Salford from oblivion, despite the only two parties to benefit from the arrangment being Sale and the Stadium Management company. Early Bath claims there are 20 to 30 benefits to Salford from this arrangment, yet so far has only listed 'joint marketing' (despite Sales marketing dept etc not being based at Barton) and the laughable comment about attracting 1500 Sale fans to Salford on a regular basis. If you don't want to post the positives on here (not sure why) feel free to send them to me via pm, as I am intrigued as to what they could be.
I am sorry I refuse to to follow the prophets of doom! I am not happy with the club the management the lack of support & contact with the fans.
I would prefer to have our own stadium & new owners with a big fat cheque book but we don't
I choose to support the club not in blind face but knowing we are unable to complete on a level playing field. I too don't like some of the drubbings we get.
I fully support the SCR in any way I can & would be happy to support the club further if some of you so called experts on the finance of the club want to put up a credible alternative.
Finally I could not give a f... about Sale but please give me the alternative?
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| Quote redgunner="redgunner"
I am sorry I refuse to to follow the prophets of doom! I am not happy with the club the management the lack of support & contact with the fans.
I would prefer to have our own stadium & new owners with a big fat cheque book but we don't
I choose to support the club not in blind face but knowing we are unable to complete on a level playing field. I too don't like some of the drubbings we get.
I fully support the SCR in any way I can & would be happy to support the club further if some of you so called experts on the finance of the club want to put up a credible alternative.
Finally I could not give a f... about Sale but please give me the alternative?'" Having concerns about the Sale move doesn't make anyone a prophet of doom. Not sure I have ever claimed to be an expert on the clubs finances or the way it is being run. When Early Bath posts the 30 positives of this move for Salford I may change my opinion.
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| Facinating stuff from EB and PT
PT presume JW wants £5m for nearly 30 years of hard graft and probably huge losses financially over that time and I wouldn't bregude him that
Money is the main thing here DT would need a golden handshake a new owner would want his own people in so this would happen sooner or later
As for SS you want rid of him but we would need a replacement for sure to allow PV and SL to concentrate on coaching any suggestions? SS is a better Director of football than DT was back in the late 1990s and I think a change might bring new ideas but without a replacement then its a no from me.
But I do take your point PT £5m and you don't get anything physical you can call an assit is a huge bump in the road when deciding to buy the club, probably the reason BK or anyone else hasn't shown an interest or if he has made it known
EB karlos is a good lad he ain't no dinosaur so when your sending the 30 advantages cut me in on it too 
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| Quote programmethrower="programmethrower"
Over to you Early Bath, I eagerly await you respond no doubt saying all the problems at SCR are a myth and had it not been for the savior we'd be playing on rabbit hills.'"
Pev has answered for me re JAWs Loans & DT. Re SS - He is governed totally by the Budget given and for me he does a decent job. I dont think DJ, Cashmere, Stapo, Patten, Rutcho have been poor players - do you?
The position is clear and surely its not worth going over old ground. JAW is stuck with the club unless a Fairy Godfather appears which is about 1000/1 I would estimate. I fear for the club and have said previously unless we embrace the new connection in the next 2 years I would doubt whether we will get another Franchise as Administration would follow. Its quite clear that JAW has had enough.
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| Quote Karlos13="Karlos13"After reading the last few posts from the usual suspects, it seems we should be thanking Sale moving in for saving Salford from oblivion, despite the only two parties to benefit from the arrangment being Sale and the Stadium Management company. Early Bath claims there are 20 to 30 benefits to Salford from this arrangment, yet so far has only listed 'joint marketing' (despite Sales marketing dept etc not being based at Barton) and the laughable comment about attracting 1500 Sale fans to Salford on a regular basis. If you don't want to post the positives on here (not sure why) feel free to send them to me via pm, as I am intrigued as to what they could be.'"
Karlos if you play Poker its very unwise to show your hand if you want to win. What I will say re the advantages for SCR will come from a Joint initiative with Sale to make the whole of Mcr & Salford aware that all roads lead to Barton. It will take time and money but the rewards could be vast. The dinosaurs will have to embrace Sale - warts and all - for Salford to survive. Its a simple equation and we cannot do it on our own.
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| The clubs poker face is very good because we don't have a clue what's going on
As for SS you could also add mick burne, mark corvo, Greg Ebrill and cabbage I think ??to that list, fact is we won't know how good a Director of football SS is until we have somebody to compare him too compared to DT he is premier league 
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| Quote Wayward Fan="Wayward Fan"I'll no doubt get a load of abuse for this but I'm going to try to reintroduce some rational debate by chucking in a few facts, a couple of questions and an opinion.
First the facts:
* Once Red City Developments went belly up, the only way we could achieve a new stadium was by choosing to accept the role of paying tenants, rather than owner occupiers (as we had been at The Willows).
* Once we made that choice we gave up the right to decide who else plays at the stadium and there was a tacit acceptance that, at some point, we'd be sharing the stadium with another sports club (most likely Sale Sharks)
* The fact that we've been awarded our last two Super League licenses is largely down to the promise of a new modern stadium.
* The stadium itself was financed and delivered by Salford City Council in partnership with Peel Holdings.
* the stadium itself is not viable as a business on the strength of Salford City Reds playing 13-15 games per year in front of 5-7,000 gates.
* the necessary improvements to stadium infrastructure and transport links are more likely now that the facility will be in use all year round.
Now some questions:
* would fans of Salford City Reds prefer to see the stadium fail as a business?
* in this eventuality, would the fans of SCR be happy to see the stadium bought from its current owners (the people of Salford) or be closed altogether?
* will the fans of SCR be happy to see vital improvements made to the stadium (including a proper supporters bar) and better transport links or will we be more concerned because "it's only happened because Sale are here."
* will the fans of SCR be pleased to finally see some of the club's history/identity imprinted on the stadium (eg, pictures of legends in the concourses, bars named after past players etc) or will we be more bothered by the fact that Sale - as co-tenants - have got equal representation?
* would the fans of SCR prefer to see the club die a slow death at the Willows or at least have the fighting chance of success in partnership with Sale at the new stadium?
Finally, an opinion:
As a fan of Salford City Reds, I wouldn't have chosen to have another tenant in situ at a time when we've yet to really stamp our own mark at the stadium. However, the fact is that we are now co-tenants and it's incumbent on the club to enter the partnership in a positive manner and ensure that the relationship yields results for Salford City Reds.
Personally, I believe Sale Sharks offers a better fit than some of the other supposed options being banded about (FCUM, MUFC reserves etc), and if the two clubs can treat each other respectfully, with tacit agreement not to poach players/staff and not to do anything that can harm the other club, I actually think that all parties can benefit. I also believe that both sets of fans have the responsibility to be courteous and respectful and that those who aren't do great damage to their respective clubs.
Let's not forget that 12,000 Salfordians packed out the Willows for our final home game last year (the reasons why we've struggled to carry anything like those numbers to the new stadium so far is best left as a topic for another discussion). IMO most of those people (other than the 3000 regulars) were there first and foremost to support 'Salford' itself rather than any specific interest in 'rugby'; we need to find a way to convert that civic pride into bums on seats rather than worry about where and how Sale gets its fans from.
My opinion is that if we are bold, positive and proactive we can turn this situation to our advantage. I also believe that the fact that the people of Salford part-own a fantastic stadium and that the city will hopefully soon host two world class rugby teams, will do wonders for our city's standing and will help put Salford on the map for all the right reasons.
But whatever I or anyone else thinks the fact is that Sale Sharks will be sharing the ground with us and we can either choose to be positive and try to chart a successful route forward or we can curl up into a ball and wait for our club to die.'"
Interesting that for all the name calling elsewhere and the attempts to shift this into yet another anti-Wilky/Simms/Tarry tirade, nobody's yet to pick up on any of the above....
It's easier to trade in insults and supposition than debate the actual facts I guess.
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| go on ill answer your questions
1) no i want the salford city stadium to be a success it should be used to promote the city and be viewed in the same light as the lowry and media city as a shining light in the city
2) probably closed all together if im honest as if it is purchased by a private company they could easily kick the citys premier sports club out and as long as the council has a say i think we are safe in using the facility
3)I would be happy with improvements in and around the stadium BUT i would hope any major structual changes would not take place during OUR season as loss of revenue would be crutial
4) I would be pleased if we had memoribia up on the walls and in the stands, and if it means sale has the same then i surpose so be it, it HAS to be equal mind if its not then leave it bare
5)I think the club has shown ambition moving to barton and its a good sign they are taking a chance rather than a slow painful death over the next 30 years
I Would be interested in the lets say "extreme" views of certain people on this board on the the questions put to us by WF hopefully they will reply
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| Quote Early Bath="Early Bath"I could give maybe 20 - no maybe 30 benefits to the club - the opportunities are boundless. However with you lads there is just no point. If I said the sky was blue you would argue that its brown.
We are now in `business` with Sale - fact - between our clubs we now have an opportunity to market year round top flight Rugby - no other club has that luxury (bar Quins).
Whats done is done - they are here - so are we - we now have to be very positive about how we benefit. It could be the makings of the club if we use our resources well.'"
I'm willing to take part in a rational debate. Please could you list the 30 benefits to the club you can see, so that I can take them on board and give my opinions?
If you ignore DI, MM and so on, many of us have been posting some genuine concerns about not only the Sale "link-up", but the way in which Salford has been run and the way we are our own worst enemy. These concerns always seem to get passed over whilst people concentrate on the baseless ranting of a tiny few.
In return I will, when I have a few moments, sit down and properly read and respond to your post above.
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| Quote GT="GT"I'm willing to take part in a rational debate. Please could you list the 30 benefits to the club you can see, so that I can take them on board and give my opinions?
If you ignore DI, MM and so on, many of us have been posting some genuine concerns about not only the Sale "link-up", but the way in which Salford has been run and the way we are our own worst enemy. These concerns always seem to get passed over whilst people concentrate on the baseless ranting of a tiny few.
In return I will, when I have a few moments, sit down and properly read and respond to your post above.'"
He has his poker face on he ain't going to list them perhaps we should make a list of our own and then EB can tell us how many are on his list, quite disappointed nobody else has answered the questions STILL
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I don't know whether anyone has seen the FAQ Sale Sharks produced for its fans: www.salesharks.com/RugbyNewsDeta ... le/2721098
I'm not sure whether we produced something similar but you should be able to pick through the useful bits.
Worth a read.
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I don't know whether anyone has seen the FAQ Sale Sharks produced for its fans: www.salesharks.com/RugbyNewsDeta ... le/2721098
I'm not sure whether we produced something similar but you should be able to pick through the useful bits.
Worth a read.
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| Interesting would have been great if we had done something similar
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