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There's been a NEGATIVE halo surrounding this club ever since the day JW first walked in the door at SCR. I've tried being positive for 30 years Redgunner and look where it's got us.... A big fat nowhere, a laughing stock. If our board acted positive in their ways and dealing's instead of fiasco after fiasco, then the positivity would filter down to the pitch and then to us the fans. When are you people ever going to except that with JW at the helm we'll continue to dwindle in the bowels of superleague dying a slow death, but EB and his cronies WANT sale rugby union's HELP to mentor our inept board because they're incapable of doing it themselves. Again fella's we're still awaiting the 30 POSITIVE points to extinct US dinosaur's.
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| Quote redgunner="redgunner"What do you suggest Mitie Mouse? What is your grand plan?
It is so easy to keep criticising everything associated with Sale, which is fine but I would love to see some of you showing a little support or offering a real alternative.
I would be happy to see an alternative master plan instead of the negativity being shown.
It appears I was one of the few to make the journey yesterday, remember the club will only grow with your support & if that's not going to happen then it will need to look elsewhere to survive.'"
Your wasting your time asking some people on here to be subjective, the fact is that regardless of how many times people give positives they are ignored. Like you I agree that there are many to be taken and granted there are a few negatives but I think that the positives far outweigh the negatives.
The club though I agree with the doom mongers is not helping itself, there has been precious little comunication from the club on the ground share and only today I went to the gym to find that Sale have been in with shiny flyers for season tickets that don't require a degree in rocket science to fathom spread all over the place. |
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| Quote Wayward Fan="Wayward Fan"
Let's not forget that 12,000 Salfordians packed out the Willows for our final home game last year (the reasons why we've struggled to carry anything like those numbers to the new stadium so far is best left as a topic for another discussion). IMO most of those people (other than the 3000 regulars) were there first and foremost to support 'Salford' itself rather than any specific interest in 'rugby'; we need to find a way to convert that civic pride into bums on seats rather than worry about where and how Sale gets its fans from. '"
After making such an idiotic statement I will refuse to acknowledge any of your previous points as they have lost all credibility for making such false claims. There was numerous people who were not Salfordians, lots of dignitaries on a free load also I seen 4 shirts from other clubs, Leigh, Warrington, Leeds and Wigan. If Salford are to improve in the near future I've said it before and I will say it again, Mr Salford has to go and take it daughter with him, Tarry must leave as a priority, Steven Simms needs to given a golden hand shake and pack up his desk. Until those this happen Salford will always be an amateur club struggling in a professional organisation. One final thought, when was the last time you was proud to say you was a Salford fan? What has the club / players done in last life time to actually make you stand up and be proud? Beat Wigan in Challenge Cup? Says a great lot doesn't it?
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A lot of people on here seem to be going round in circles arguing about something that didn't happen: Salford City Reds did not sign an agreement with Sale Sharks to allow them to play at their stadium.
Red City Developments went 'tits up' and the stadium was bought and paid for by the council/Peel. At this point, we chose to sign a tenancy agreement to play at the stadium, knowing that other tenants would be sought in order to make the stadium financially viable.
The stadium is in effect a business investment on the part of the residents of Salford and they cannot afford it to fail. Having SCR playing 13-15 games per year there in front of 5-7000 fans clearly isnt going to balance the books, let alone turn a profit. They could, of course, have chosen to supplement the income by playing the valentine cup final and a few schools games there (not that they can't still do that anyway) but I'm guessing having Sale play 17-20 games per year there in front of 6000+ gates was seen as being [islightly[/i more lucrative.
This isn't about whether or not you like John Wilkinson, Rugby Union or the Moonies for that matter. And it's not about whether Sale playing at the same ground as us
is going to present '30 benefits' or none at all; Sale's agreement is with the stadium management company, not with us.
This is simply about accepting reality and finding the best way to deal with the situation so that Salford City Reds can prosper.
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| Quote programmethrower="programmethrower"After making such an idiotic statement I will refuse to acknowledge any of your previous points as they have lost all credibility for making such false claims. There was numerous people who were not Salfordians, lots of dignitaries on a free load also I seen 4 shirts from other clubs, Leigh, Warrington, Leeds and Wigan. If Salford are to improve in the near future I've said it before and I will say it again, Mr Salford has to go and take it daughter with him, Tarry must leave as a priority, Steven Simms needs to given a golden hand shake and pack up his desk. Until those this happen Salford will always be an amateur club struggling in a professional organisation. One final thought, when was the last time you was proud to say you was a Salford fan? What has the club / players done in last life time to actually make you stand up and be proud? Beat Wigan in Challenge Cup? Says a great lot doesn't it?
That is all.'"
Humble apologies for my idiocy, there were of course 10,149 at the Catalans game. I also failed to recognise that the majority of those in attendance weren't from Salford at all, and were actually "dignitaries on a freeload" and fans from other clubs (including the four you spotted). it's a good job Catalans didn't bring any away fans that day or there's a chance that there'd have been NOBODY from Salford there at all.
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Quote programmethrower="programmethrower"
1) Mr Salford has to go and take it daughter with him,
2) Tarry must leave as a priority,
3) Steven Simms needs to given a golden hand shake and pack up his desk. .'"
These are PTs demands then.
OK lets examine :-
1) JAW would love to go so PT who is your man to find the £5+ million to see him off?
2) So huge Redundancy payment required here plus no doubt such as Gary Cook - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garry_Cook_(CEO) (hes available) to come in at 10 x the salary.
3) Another lump sum required from PTs benefactor and also someone as well versed as SS in the Australian market.
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1) Mr Salford has to go and take it daughter with him,
2) Tarry must leave as a priority,
3) Steven Simms needs to given a golden hand shake and pack up his desk. .'"
These are PTs demands then.
OK lets examine :-
1) JAW would love to go so PT who is your man to find the £5+ million to see him off?
2) So huge Redundancy payment required here plus no doubt such as Gary Cook - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garry_Cook_(CEO) (hes available) to come in at 10 x the salary.
3) Another lump sum required from PTs benefactor and also someone as well versed as SS in the Australian market.
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| Quote programmethrower="programmethrower" One final thought, when was the last time you was proud to say you was a Salford fan? What has the club / players done in last life time to actually make you stand up and be proud? Beat Wigan in Challenge Cup? Says a great lot doesn't it?
That is all.'"
Actually I am quite proud to say to anybody that I am a Salford fan and always will be.  |
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| Quote programmethrower="programmethrower" I've said it before and I will say it again, Mr Salford has to go and take it daughter with him, Tarry must leave as a priority, Steven Simms needs to given a golden hand shake and pack up his desk. '"
Great post PT.
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Quote Early Bath="Early Bath"These are PTs demands then.
OK lets examine :-
1) JAW would love to go so PT who is your man to find the £5+ million to see him off?
2) So huge Redundancy payment required here plus no doubt such as Gary Cook - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garry_Cook_(CEO) (hes available) to come in at 10 x the salary.
3) Another lump sum required from PTs benefactor and also someone as well versed as SS in the Australian market.
I pass the ball to you PT. Who is this man you have lined up? Tell us all.'"
Now then Early Bath,
First point, I'm aware Mr Salford want's to go because I attened the scam after the Catalan game, sponging another £20 of my child's inheritance. However I'm bemused where you get the sum of 5+ million  What assets does SCR have that could possibly even get close to that figure? Mr Salford sold the club assets, throwing all his eggs into one basket and predictably failing (everyone else knew it would fail, why couldn't him and his chief pen pusher realize it would?) Unfortunately the yolk is now on him. I will make no apologies for the pun. Secondly, are they on huge salaries? Plus if someone is under performing at their job you have ground to let them go. I'd like to know how you think Mr Tarry has been excelling in his role? If not, I referrer to my previous comment. Finally I find it very comical you think Steve Simms is well versed in the Australian market. I don't have the time nor do I have the effort to trawl through the import signings since the well versed man in question has been at the club. Without deep thinking I could name five tops that I would say, great signing for Salford. How many of these signing have been uninspiring not only in performance but also attitude. How many came for one final pay packet and which is unforgivable, not even fully fit carrying injuries! Once last point which I almost missed out, why does out well versed SS in the Australian market get his all expenses trip down under annually, I thought he just logs onto a well known video sharing site and signs them up?
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OK lets examine :-
1) JAW would love to go so PT who is your man to find the £5+ million to see him off?
2) So huge Redundancy payment required here plus no doubt such as Gary Cook - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garry_Cook_(CEO) (hes available) to come in at 10 x the salary.
3) Another lump sum required from PTs benefactor and also someone as well versed as SS in the Australian market.
I pass the ball to you PT. Who is this man you have lined up? Tell us all.'"
Now then Early Bath,
First point, I'm aware Mr Salford want's to go because I attened the scam after the Catalan game, sponging another £20 of my child's inheritance. However I'm bemused where you get the sum of 5+ million What assets does SCR have that could possibly even get close to that figure? Mr Salford sold the club assets, throwing all his eggs into one basket and predictably failing (everyone else knew it would fail, why couldn't him and his chief pen pusher realize it would?) Unfortunately the yolk is now on him. I will make no apologies for the pun. Secondly, are they on huge salaries? Plus if someone is under performing at their job you have ground to let them go. I'd like to know how you think Mr Tarry has been excelling in his role? If not, I referrer to my previous comment. Finally I find it very comical you think Steve Simms is well versed in the Australian market. I don't have the time nor do I have the effort to trawl through the import signings since the well versed man in question has been at the club. Without deep thinking I could name five tops that I would say, great signing for Salford. How many of these signing have been uninspiring not only in performance but also attitude. How many came for one final pay packet and which is unforgivable, not even fully fit carrying injuries! Once last point which I almost missed out, why does out well versed SS in the Australian market get his all expenses trip down under annually, I thought he just logs onto a well known video sharing site and signs them up?
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After reading the last few posts from the usual suspects, it seems we should be thanking Sale moving in for saving Salford from oblivion, despite the only two parties to benefit from the arrangment being Sale and the Stadium Management company. Early Bath claims there are 20 to 30 benefits to Salford from this arrangment, yet so far has only listed 'joint marketing' (despite Sales marketing dept etc not being based at Barton) and the laughable comment about attracting 1500 Sale fans to Salford on a regular basis. If you don't want to post the positives on here (not sure why) feel free to send them to me via pm, as I am intrigued as to what they could be.
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PT the money mentioned is the club overdraft which is owned by JW, or the club debt, so if someone came in they would have to clear the debt first then pay for the club. With regards Dave Tarry he can't be made redundant because in law the club requires a chief exec, but he can be fired and then argue his case at an industrial tribunal. And if anyone thinks that a certain bookie would come in look how much money and publicity he has got with paying up early on United winning the league, the only thing he thinks about is himself. As for Steve Simms do we need a director of rugby? if we were to makr that position redundant then we only need to pay £430 a week for each year he has been here or 1.5 weeks for every year he has been here whilst aged 40 or over. If it is 10 years that would be 15 weeks at £430 per week which equals £6450.
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| Quote Karlos13="Karlos13"After reading the last few posts from the usual suspects, it seems we should be thanking Sale moving in for saving Salford from oblivion, despite the only two parties to benefit from the arrangment being Sale and the Stadium Management company. Early Bath claims there are 20 to 30 benefits to Salford from this arrangment, yet so far has only listed 'joint marketing' (despite Sales marketing dept etc not being based at Barton) and the laughable comment about attracting 1500 Sale fans to Salford on a regular basis. If you don't want to post the positives on here (not sure why) feel free to send them to me via pm, as I am intrigued as to what they could be.
I am sorry I refuse to to follow the prophets of doom! I am not happy with the club the management the lack of support & contact with the fans.
I would prefer to have our own stadium & new owners with a big fat cheque book but we don't
I choose to support the club not in blind face but knowing we are unable to complete on a level playing field. I too don't like some of the drubbings we get.
I fully support the SCR in any way I can & would be happy to support the club further if some of you so called experts on the finance of the club want to put up a credible alternative.
Finally I could not give a f... about Sale but please give me the alternative?
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I am sorry I refuse to to follow the prophets of doom! I am not happy with the club the management the lack of support & contact with the fans.
I would prefer to have our own stadium & new owners with a big fat cheque book but we don't
I choose to support the club not in blind face but knowing we are unable to complete on a level playing field. I too don't like some of the drubbings we get.
I fully support the SCR in any way I can & would be happy to support the club further if some of you so called experts on the finance of the club want to put up a credible alternative.
Finally I could not give a f... about Sale but please give me the alternative?'" Having concerns about the Sale move doesn't make anyone a prophet of doom. Not sure I have ever claimed to be an expert on the clubs finances or the way it is being run. When Early Bath posts the 30 positives of this move for Salford I may change my opinion. |
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| Facinating stuff from EB and PT
PT presume JW wants £5m for nearly 30 years of hard graft and probably huge losses financially over that time and I wouldn't bregude him that
Money is the main thing here DT would need a golden handshake a new owner would want his own people in so this would happen sooner or later
As for SS you want rid of him but we would need a replacement for sure to allow PV and SL to concentrate on coaching any suggestions? SS is a better Director of football than DT was back in the late 1990s and I think a change might bring new ideas but without a replacement then its a no from me.
But I do take your point PT £5m and you don't get anything physical you can call an assit is a huge bump in the road when deciding to buy the club, probably the reason BK or anyone else hasn't shown an interest or if he has made it known
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What assets does SCR have that could possibly even get close to that figure? Mr Salford sold the club assets, throwing all his eggs into one basket and predictably failing (everyone else knew it would fail, why couldn't him and his chief pen pusher realize it would?) Unfortunately the yolk is now on him. I will make no apologies for the pun. Secondly, are they on huge salaries? Plus if someone is under performing at their job you have ground to let them go. I'd like to know how you think Mr Tarry has been excelling in his role? If not, I referrer to my previous comment. Finally I find it very comical you think Steve Simms is well versed in the Australian market. I don't have the time nor do I have the effort to trawl through the import signings since the well versed man in question has been at the club. Without deep thinking I could name five tops that I would say, great signing for Salford. How many of these signing have been uninspiring not only in performance but also attitude. How many came for one final pay packet and which is unforgivable, not even fully fit carrying injuries! Once last point which I almost missed out, why does out well versed SS in the Australian market get his all expenses trip down under annually, I thought he just logs onto a well known video sharing site and signs them up? 
