Hang on, you're not saying that they've used the total attendance at a double header as the attendance for both games do you?



If that's the case then I make Leeds' average attendance for SL regular rounds as 16,343.

The 15,197 figure is not including the Magic game.

No you didn't. You suggested that comparing "regular" attendances and excluding event games would be better. It wouldn't, unless you had an anti-union axe to grind....remember?





The NRL sides play "event" games each year.....the NZ Warriors average at Mt Smart last year was 13,152....their actual average for the season was 16,197......they actually got 1 crowd at Mount smart higher than their season average?????

The Eels 10,910 at para stadium or 12,456 for the season.



Double headers seem to be the norm in most sports now.....apparently, RLWC hit it's 500k attendance figure.....



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I repeat, I'd be asking why Wigan v Saints don't play at Anfield or Leeds v Bradford at Elland Road, rather than trying to score points against a game that has an administration light years ahead of league!



BTW, Quins RU Aviva (That's the premiership sponsor by the way) averages 13,721 at the stoop excluding the event games.....92% capacity which would explain the thinking behind taking games OTR.

I have no idea whether they double counted attendances, I have a friend who is a Saracens supporter and she said the usual is around 6-8k (at Watford last year) and their new ground has a 10k capacity.

I know you can't quite help yourself given your troll persona but I can see no relevance in quoting the averages from one other sport. Why not add football averages to the list? RL needs to work on its own crowds, what others achieve is irrelevant except where we can learn from them and there are bigger, better and much more successful sports than RU from which RL can learn.

Fair enough. I know that the NRL count both attendances separately at the Lang double headers and I am all for boosting London's 2013 average by 30,793 to 59,568 with an average of 4,255 up from 2,213













The averages I posted in the list are for "home" games and in the case of Wasps and Saracens include the Double header season openers as their "home" games from round 1. They also include Wembley stadiums for Saracens stand alone game and Harlequins Boxing day trip across the road which attracted 82,000 as a stand alone game.



The RLWC 2013 as I posted above have happily claimed that 45,000 watched Wales v Italy and 67,000 watched Australia v Fiji.....seems Nigel's bumper book of spin had a section on the IRB/RFU

Gutterfax, could you kindly rearrange your bedroom furniture. You've been getting out of the wrong side of your bed for months. Or just give it a rest.

Why?

I posted a list of 80+ Professional Rugby Clubs attendances for their last full seasons and immediately people question the Union ones in the UK

Rather than wonder why RL clubs don't host "event" games themselves.

Saracens and Wasps averages drop by 3k each if you halve the double header crowds counted as 60k each.....dropping Saracens to below Leeds but still above Wigan and Wasps down the list, but still ahead of 8 of the current SL teams.



Saracens get 45k at Wembley for their annual "event" game which boosts their average...Harlequins host a team at the big house across the road on boxing day....these sorts of initiatives, along with the likes of the NZ Warriors playing at Eden park or Wellington are to be applauded.....but your bitter and twisted RL fans prefers to snipe.





Wigan v Saints at Anfield would attract a 45k full house IMHO.....but only because I believe the Wigan/St's marketing teams are capable....it could possibly add 2k to the Wigan seasons average and maybe convince a few new fans to visit the DW....a brilliant initiative just so long as Union don't do it

If your list has Union clubs averages that include their "event games" then the League ones should too. Leeds Magic game was a home game yet you didn't include it in their average.

London's average wouldn't be boosted as it wasn't a home game for them.

It was for Bradford, Leeds, Salford, Catalans, Castleford, Hull FC and Saints.

1 Double header and as I said, remove the double Header and Sarries drop below Leeds and Wasps drop down but still above 8 of the 14 SL clubs.



....."event" games are stand alone games and perfectly acceptable to be counted on the averages.

Irrelevant. You omitted to include some home games attendances from 7 League clubs. Either they count or they don't and should be included or omitted from all clubs in your list, not just some.

The RFL never use the Magic weekend figures so I didn't?

I have removed the doubleheader from the 2 clubs (wasps and sarries) and it delivers this list...

1 Stormers 36,822

2 Lions/Kings 32,720

3 Reds 31,848

4 Brisbane 30,480

5 Bulls 28,954

6 Sharks 23,323

7 Souths 22,261

8 Leicester Tigers 21,244

9 Harlequins 21,046

10 Blues 20,953

11 Cheetahs 20,078

12 Canterbury 19,590

13 Toulouse 19,519

14 Sydney Roosters 19,368

15 Newcastle 18,821

17 Bordeaux 17,701

18 Clermont Auvergne 17,250

19 Tards 16,960

20 Stade Francais 16,727

21 Leinster 16,525

22 Melbourne 16,302

23 New Zealand 16,197

24 Toulon 15,539

25 Leeds Rhinos 15,197

26 Crusaders 15,084

27 Munster 14,699

28 Wigan 14,545

29 Bayonne 14,506

30 Brumbies 14,287

31 Chiefs 14,280

32 North Queensland 14,112

33 Gold Coast Titans 14,028

34 Gloucester 14,004

35 Manly 13,522

36 Cronulla 13,470

37 Racing CF 13,145

16 Saracens 13,102

38 Highlanders 13,096

39 Northampton Saints 12,812

40 Parramatta 12,456

41 Force 12,427

42 St George Illawarra 12,422

43 Grenoble 12,417

45 Montpellier 12,152

46 Rebels 11,947

47 Perpignan 11,872

48 Hull FC 11,680

49 Bath 11,516

50 Wests Tigers 11,452

51 St Helens 11,345

52 Canes 10,850

53 Warrington 10,663

54 Ulster 10,544

55 Penrith 10,337

56 Biarritz 10,327

57 Canberra 10,226

58 Ospreys 9,856

59 London Irish 9,471

60 Worcester Warriors 9,306

61 Agen 8,669

62 Bradford 8,536

63 Exeter Chiefs 8,367

64 Catalan 8,363

65 Cardiff Blues 8,055

66 Wakefield 7,972

67 Castres 7,780

68 Scarlets 7,746

69 HKA 7,495

70 Sale Sharks 7,266

44 London Wasps 6,857

71 Mont de Marsan 6,454

72 Huddersfield 6,368

73 Castleford 6,306

74 Widnes 6,015

75 London Welsh 5,302

76 Gwent Dragons 5,223

77 Connacht 5,149

78 Glasgow 4,180

79 Benetton Treviso 3,808

80 Edinburgh Reivers 3,779

81 Salford 3,125

82 Zebre 2,405

83 London 2,213



Sarries are now below Wigan and Leeds and Wasps are in the bottom quarter of the 25 English Clubs. It changes little.......but makes you feel a bit better

It just baffles me why you always choose the way to make League come off worst? The thread on England attendances is a good example. Why not include the double headers and so actually include games that were played in the season instead of picking and choosing which suits your argument best.



By the way, going off the Quins website, I make their average attendance to be 19,966. Not