Again, what are you wittering on about? Your original statement was entirely wrong and you're hiding behind blithering codswallop. Still haven't acknowledged that I see.





And all of those communities are healthily represented at all Rhinos home games I presume?



Whatever, this may shock you, but Manchester is different to Leeds. Let me repeat: the communities I mentioned have NO interest in Rugby League in MANCHESTER. None. You're clearly clued up on Leeds but have no idea when it comes to your better neighbour down the M62. Manchester is a different beast entirely. Just accept it.





Yes, fully aware of our history. But it's completely irrelevant in the context of this discussion on Manchester. The city we're talking about, which is definitely not Leeds. Yes, of course RL can be popular within all sorts of communities - but IT'S NOT IN MANCHESTER. Which is sort of the topic being discussed. Do capitals help?





Nope. I didn't. Put on your glasses and try again. Reading will help.





Careful?



You're dying a death here.

Its pretty simple. You pretending not to understand doesnt seem like a particularly smart way of getting the 'win' you're so clearly so craving.



Yes





that there is a fundamental difference between the religious and Immigrant communities in Leeds and Manchester that means RL is popular in one and incompatible with the other is honestly one of the stupidest things i have read on here. That its presented with the feet-stamping demand of a toddler is almost charming.

You literally said. "it starts in school" if not driving attendances, what is the "it" you have decided to introduce here.



Youre certainly looking like a super-cool internet dude and making me look the silly one.

You said: "United 'sell themselves' all over Greater Manchester and Salford 'sell themselves' only in Salford." As I explained, this simply isn't true. Now you're backtracking with some tripe about 'different stages', which bears no relation to your original, false, statement.





Prove it.







The Jewish, Asian, Afro-Caribbean and student communities in MANCHESTER (capitals again for you) have - for all intents & purposes - NO interest in rugby league. Whether you believe it or not is irrelevant, it's a fact. Whether they do in Leeds is also utterly irrelevant, ya'know, with that being a different city n'all.





I said getting RL into more schools and more kids playing RL throughout their school lives will deliver players and fans. Simple really, for most people at least. That you somehow took this to mean 'driving attendances' is baffling.





No, you're doing that yourself.

And here we have it , the old " you don't understand " insult , always turns up when the argument is lost

It is true. YOU gave examples of it being true.





You prove there arent.



That they do in leeds disproves a causal link between those demographics and interest in RL. So this means that it isnt because they are Jewish, Asian, Students etc that they are attending but because clubs havent reached out to them and got them in. Like we know is possible. So we know that the reason these people dont attend is because of the clubs, not the people.

So kids playing in schools will deliver players and fans but won't drive attendances? Are they delivering fans or not?



Erm, yes. That almost worked. Another three or four attempts and you might stumble upon a response that could, at a distance, be mistaken for wit.

I didnt say he didnt understand. On the wine early today?

Correct you said he was ' pretending ' not to understand , which isn't true , nobody has a clue what you're on about most of the time , because you talk bollox

Oooh cutting. Razor sharp wit. Great to see the internet tough men out here throwing their weight around.

Smokey - I CBA quoting every individual piece of nonsense you've spouted on here but I'll highlight a few major points. Btw, my observations come from a guy that was born and bred in Salford and has lived here for 36 of my 39 years.



Manchester's diverse ethnic population.... has ALMOST no interest in Rugby League. I'm sure there are a FEW exceptions to the rule but that's the case in any sport. I was brought up in Higher Broughton, an area heavily populated by the Orthodox Jewish community. They have little to no interest in sport. As pointed out to you by Cronus, this is the same with Manchester/Salford's, Asian, Afro-Carribean, Polish etc communities as well. It would be great if they had an interest but they don't. We have a few student fans from Salford/Manchester Uni but again I would hazard a guess that a lot of those had at least a passing interest in some form of rugby before they first attended a Salford match. Salford moving to Manchester won't allow a new club to suddenly tap into this goldmine of new fans eager for a slice of the RL pie. A more consistent/successful Salford team will bring bigger crowds to Salford as we are seeing already this season.



The "Man Utd aren't even from Manchester" argument - Jesus f*cking Christ, are people still churning out this e?! It's a petty jibe that City fans normally throw out thinking it upsets Utd fans.

Trafford is in Greater Manchester and the Old Trafford ground happens to be located around 3 miles from Manchester City Centre and on the doorstep of the heart of Salford (a massive football stronghold). Out of interest, how far is Elland Road from Leeds City Centre? Moving Salford to Manchester would just alienate hardcore Salford fans who associate with their hometown (home city) club and who would have no affinity to a Manchester based club.



Those fans who think franchising in Manchester is a viable replacement for Salford Rugby Club are the sort of fans who look down on us as they see us as small fry in the RL world. Small crowds, lack of any success for decades..... readily disposable (like Wakey etc) in Rugby League's pursuit of a formula that will bring the masses flocking in and turn us into some sort of super sport that Rugby League will never be.



Toulouse and Toronto are the way forward for now. Let's grow the French game and get behind what Toronto are trying to achieve as they could be the golden ticket to growing our great game, not moving an established club 5 miles down the road into a neighbouring city.

I will save Smokey the trouble...you just don't understand

Kallum Watkins has a Jamaican mother, is from Salford, became an RL fan in Salford, played his amateur RL in Salford, is a professional Rugby League player. Being of Afro-Carribean origin, nor any other, is a barrier or indicator of involvement in, support of, or affiliation with Rugby League.



You and Cronus, have, managed to make my point for me. There could not be a better example of the parochial outlook that i am talking about that you two arguing that a sport with the history Rugby League does, would find the Afro-Carribean community as a demographic we struggle with rather than an opportunity. Perhaps if Salford, and others, were to look at places outside of their immediate areas, and demographics other than white-working class, they wouldnt struggle with attendances so much and the game would be in a much healthier place.



You have managed to grab the wrong end of the stick here to such an extent im not even sure its a stick you have grabbed.

Where have i suggested Salford move to Manchester, In fact i used Man Utd as an example of how they dont need to be in Manchester. Have you forgotten, im the one here arguing that clubs shouldnt be bound by their geography, that they should expand? I can understand why City fans think it annoys you, you seem wierdly defensive about it.

There is an outstanding level of either stupidity or irony here, im not sure which it is but im in awe of it.