Wow, well done for missing the point.



They believed that a 5 year contract is generally a reward for excellent service, not snorting cocaine and then being a good boy while you are sat on the sidelines.

Aaah...clarification. So it's not the drugs, or being permitted to return to his sport that they find to be 'a farce'? Did they deem his suspension sufficient? If so, why should the length of contract be a concern - after all, he's done his time.



But let's see...how long should the contract be?



Would 1 year be too little? 3 years too much? Just what did you knowledgable "non-RL friends" decide was the appropriate contract length for a returning sportsperson?



And what about, for example, athletes, tennis players, runners...sportspeople who aren't tied to club contracts. What should happen with them?



I think we need to know. We need to avoid be labelled as 'a farce' by those important non-RL friends of yours.

I'm going to tell my friends they are idiots because Cronus said so, and they aren't allowed opinions in future.

Can't answer the questions then.



Good job Lister.





Tell them if they're going to condemn RL for offering a returning player a 5-year contract, they should consider their perspectives on similar and related situations and decide whether they would reach the same conclusions.



Call them idiots if you like. You (and your friends) seem to like ill-informed snap judgements.

Brilliant.



No, I can't answer the questions as unlike you, who seems to think that it is possible to tell people exactly what they should be thinking, I can't change their opinions on the fact that a bloke who did cocaine, recieved a ban from RL, immediately came back and bagged himself a 5 year contract. Simple as that, its hardly ill informed, as that is exactly what has happened here.

Welcome to the glorious world of WireWonder.

Cronus exemplifies the type of behaviour that is so commonplace in Rugby League circles - absolutely no idea of how the sport is percieved by the outsider.

No no no dave give it a rest your boring



Your 'mates' seem clueless i bet your 'mates' didn't know that stipulations are in his 5 year deal (one being drug tested on a regular basis) did they?



Our sport will never take off down in london because they love the football too much and the rfl are to dumb to see that



Oh and yes your crowds are on the bbc website everytime you play at home

You are missing the point completely, as usual.



Why are you dragging Harlequins into this? You seem obsessed. Or paranoid. Or both.

I was replying to your first reply on the last page



Your saying people shouldn't be given second chances which is way off the mark



Hock isn't the brightest blub as we all know you really think he's going to chuck this chance away when he's got nothing to fall back on?



It was the same with terry newton no one wanted to know the guy after what he did come out and look what happened there,if players show they are willing to change there lifestyle and turn a corner do you not think it is a good thing?

Yes, in response to your opening irrelevant comment.







Where have I said that?

More or less says it i cant be d arguing with you dave your boring me a few people said your clueless so leave it at that

Yet another well thought out, eloquent response from king warrior.

I'm assuming you filled them in on actual details then? Of what Hock has been doing during his suspension? Of his work to gain skills to allow him to talk to kids in schools, young offenders' institutions and jails (and other community work)? Of how he went to college and learned plumbing skills allowing him to work for a local plumbing firm to earn his keep? And how he's trained non-stop with an ex-army Sergeant, working not only his physical form, but mental development and leadership skills? Of just what an outstanding player he was before the his suspension? Of how Wigan chose, rather than dump him on the scrapheap, to show faith in his dedication and rehabilitation?



What, you mean you didn't tell them all that? Well then, your "non-rl friends" are indeed extremely ill-informed and should therefore reserve judgement until they know the facts. Should you bother to tell them.



But you're probably right, he should be condemned as "a bloke who did cocaine, recieved a ban from RL, immediately came back and bagged himself a 5 year contract". Because that's a positive move for all concerned. We all know RL lads shunned over drugs can handle it.



Again, good job Lister.