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| Quote Steve Fox="Steve Fox"If you show me where it says that in the laws of the game I'll readily concede that I'm wrong.'"
Following your logic, if a player drops the ball accidentally he can lash out with the foot and if he connects just [iafter [/iit bounces, it's play on.
You're making a fool of yourself.
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| I was at Cas so I didn't see the incident, but a dropkick is made when the ball is deliberately placed on the foot on the half-volley. If the player drops the ball and kicks it on the half volley, then it is a knock-on.
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| Quote Cronus="Cronus"Do you actually believe that tripe? Or is this your first week watching RL?
He dropped the ball, it hit the floor. It's immediately a knock-on. As such, the fact he kicked it a moment later is irrelevant. A drop-kick is only permitted for a drop-out kick or when kicking for a drop-goal.
Seriously, I've seen some fans crying in desperation for a try (we're all guilty of it at times) but this is embarrassing. It was a knock-on - granted, a matter of a split-second - but it's as clear as day. Clutching at straws doesn't even come close.'"
You can make a drop kick anywhere you want, quite a few grubber kicks are done on the half volley.
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| Quote Teessidewire="Teessidewire"You can make a drop kick anywhere you want, quite a few grubber kicks are done on the half volley.'"
I understand that, but this wasn't a drop-kick, no matter how far certain people stretch their imagination.
McGuire shaped to kick as Tomkins tackled him - it was this tackle that put him off making a clean kick. The ball hit the floor, bounced up and McGuire knocked it forward with his foot.
There was a clear bounce, then a split-second before contact with the foot. Knock-on.
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| Who cares? Video ref says no try. Game goes on. Thats sport. Move on.
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| Quote Cronus="Cronus"I understand that, but this wasn't a drop-kick, no matter how far certain people stretch their imagination.
McGuire shaped to kick as Tomkins tackled him - it was this tackle that put him off making a clean kick. The ball hit the floor, bounced up and McGuire knocked it forward with his foot.
There was a clear bounce, then a split-second before contact with the foot. Knock-on.'"
In that case he's lost control, it's a knock-on.
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| Quote Cronus="Cronus" Or is this your first week watching RL?
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I think you may find that Steve Fox is the same Steve Fox who had a piece in the League Express and has been a follower of Widnes for many years.
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| Quote TwoBlues="TwoBlues"I think you may find that Steve Fox is the same Steve Fox who had a piece in the League Express and has been a follower of Widnes for many years.'"
Well in that case he's [ireally [/iembarrassing himself.
No wonder they dropped his column. 
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| Quote broster44="broster44"Who cares? Video ref says no try. Game goes on. Thats sport. Move on.'"
The man, he speaketh sense. What's the point in arguing about it, when there is nothing you can do?
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| Quote Steve Fox="Steve Fox""a kick whereby the ball is dropped from the hands (or hand) and is kicked immediately it rebounds from the ground"
That's the definition of a drop kick in the laws of the game. Not simultaneous contact between ball, ground and boot but immediately after it has rebounded from the floor.
McGuire did that. The ball wasn't bouncing round the floor for seconds before he kicked it. He met the ball as it bounced from the pitch.
What happened was that Alibert asked the wrong question in saying "did it hit the ground?", wrong because drop kicks ARE allowed to hit the ground.
He should have asked if the ball was dropped deliberately rather than accidentally and did McGuire kick it soon enough to qualify as a drop kick.
As I recall Ganson didn't watch a single replay in real time in making his decision so how can he possibly have judged if the ball was "kicked immediately it rebounds from the ground" as required by the laws?
The fact is that, in the heat of the moment, the 3 officials seems to have had a collective brain fart and forgotten about the possibility of a drop kick and instead got confused with a situation where a ball is dropped accidentally by a player and must then be kicked before it hits the ground if not to be ruled a knock on.'"
Spot on...
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| I'm under the impression that a drip kick in the field of play has to be a goal attempt. He clearly didn't go for goal, so he just messed his timing up due to the pressure from Tomkins, so knock on.
Anyone that thinks a player purposely attempts to do a drop-grubber is clutching at straws. From a technical coaching point of view, to attempt to hit the ball on the half volley is a lot harder to control than straight out the boot, so it is a ridiculous practice.
And Tomkins had every right to challenge. He was committed to the tackle. McGuire had the ball in hands when he made the attempt. What was he meant to do? Leave him? He could have dummied.
It was a clear knock on. And if any similar incidents have been given in the past, then they were wrong. Doesn't make this any more right!
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First just a reminder: we have touch judges in RL, not linesmen.
Wigan can thank Sam Tomkins for stopping Maguire's try. He clearly went to try a grubber kick, but Tomkin's grasp at his arm disturbed the play, the ball hit the ground first and threfore is was a knock-on, no try. Anyone who suggests Maguire was attemting a drop kick is clutching at straws. Yes, it may have 'evened out' the forward pass for Richards's try, but two wrongs don't make a right.
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First just a reminder: we have touch judges in RL, not linesmen.
Wigan can thank Sam Tomkins for stopping Maguire's try. He clearly went to try a grubber kick, but Tomkin's grasp at his arm disturbed the play, the ball hit the ground first and threfore is was a knock-on, no try. Anyone who suggests Maguire was attemting a drop kick is clutching at straws. Yes, it may have 'evened out' the forward pass for Richards's try, but two wrongs don't make a right.
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