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| I wonder who got Town's mandatory game against SL opposition? Last season from the end of May until mid-September Town had 4 home games and during the same period Blackpool went 5 WEEKS without a game of any sort due to the incompetent nature of the fixture lists!!!! How do you suppose clubs get behind with tax bills, etc, when they have wages to pay to players and staff???
The money that comes down from the RFL to Championship clubs is only for administration and development purposes and teams in the Championship 1 below the top 4 are very unlikely to get on TV to get any extra money.
As it happens a few weeks ago Craig Spence of the RFL made a comment that Town were probably the only Championship in the black, but at what price to us fans? We got rid of all our travelling players halfway through the season and played local lads from the amateur ranks and finished the season with only London Skolars below us, but bills got paid. If SL had any scruples they would be ensuring that the lower league clubs were receiving cash paymenst from the Sky money but sadly it would mean a bit less for them.
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| Quote Geekay="Geekay"I wonder who got Town's mandatory game against SL opposition? Last season from the end of May until mid-September Town had 4 home games and during the same period Blackpool went 5 WEEKS without a game of any sort due to the incompetent nature of the fixture lists!!!! How do you suppose clubs get behind with tax bills, etc, when they have wages to pay to players and staff???
The money that comes down from the RFL to Championship clubs is only for administration and development purposes and teams in the Championship 1 below the top 4 are very unlikely to get on TV to get any extra money.
As it happens a few weeks ago Craig Spence of the RFL made a comment that Town were probably the only Championship in the black, but at what price to us fans? We got rid of all our travelling players halfway through the season and played local lads from the amateur ranks and finished the season with only London Skolars below us, but bills got paid. If SL had any scruples they would be ensuring that the lower league clubs were receiving cash paymenst from the Sky money but sadly it would mean a bit less for them.'"
Dont be silly the game below SL is that awash with money it can be given to Easyjet/Ryanair and hotel chains to finance Toulouse in the Championship
In our ' vibrant , worth winning in their own right ' competitions 
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| Quote spooneryork="spooneryork"icon_sad.gif Lose the clubs at the bottom and the whole game will die, the RFL MUST at least try and make things more viable for both the two lower pro divisions, there are simply not enough home games in a 10 or 11 team league, either bring new teams in ( doughtfull at present ) or merge the two divisions into one with a 6 team play off. My own club has 9 home league games, 2 or 3 NRC games and maybe 2 CC games. How can any club run well on that low level of income from Gate reciepts?'"
Something definitely needs to be done about the number of games being played.
Between June 1st and August 8th Cougars only played 5 games.
I'd bring the 6 decent teams up from Championship 1 into Championship and then put the remaining 4 in Conference National and have promotion from there to championship.
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"Championship clubs get No SKY money , they do have access to funds to provide certain non playing staff positions at clubs [ Full time CEO's which many clubs dont need , and ' marketing ' people with a brief to bring in investmet from businesses preferably ' sugar daddy ' type investment
Clubs also only recieve Co-op sponsorship money if they have a home televised game
They do recieve some ' central ' funding , around 20 K if I remember correctly
The ' mandatory ' friendlies went out the window ages back [ not well thought out as having 11 british SL clubs and 20 is NL clubs meant that each SL club would have had to play 2 matches to give every club a home game , the SL clubs also just started sending under 18's teams and the fans of the NL clubs and the SL fans soon got bored with that
Yes the bulk of NL/Championship players are ex SL academies , hardly surprising that the SL clubs pick up the best juniors is it sherlock
The whole RFL attitude to the lower tiers needs to change or we wont have much of a lower tier in a few years'"
A large proportion of Sky money goes to SL clubs. As it should. The remaining sky money goes into RL as a whole. It goes into a pot that provides funds for non SL clubs. So non SL clubs get sky money...live with it
Many of the clubs are badly managed and marketed so it is no surprise that the RFL want money it spent on 'professional managers'.
The 'mandatory games' continue. And of course SL clubs pick up the best young players and they spend more on developing them (the RFL insisting on Sky money being spent this way - so Sky £ produces players that fill many C1&2 teams)). Its elementary.
With greater mobility and greater tv coverage many people are unwilling to pay comparatively high entrance prices for 2nd and 3rd tier rugby. That is there choice.
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| Quote Marsdengiant="Marsdengiant"A large proportion of Sky money goes to SL clubs. As it should. The remaining sky money goes into RL as a whole. It goes into a pot that provides funds for non SL clubs. So non SL clubs get sky money...live with it
Many of the clubs are badly managed and marketed so it is no surprise that the RFL want money it spent on 'professional managers'.
The 'mandatory games' continue. And of course SL clubs pick up the best young players and they spend more on developing them (the RFL insisting on Sky money being spent this way - so Sky £ produces players that fill many C1&2 teams)). Its elementary.
With greater mobility and greater tv coverage many people are unwilling to pay comparatively high entrance prices for 2nd and 3rd tier rugby. That is there choice.'"
Link ?
You dont have a clue how clubs operate at that level , most dont need F/T CEO's and most definatley are not going to get somebody with millions to throw away on board just because they have a ' marketing ' executive
The mandatory games might continue but nobody cares to watch u 18's , be they Championship fans or SL fans , so what help exactly is that
So if these players didn't go to the Chamnpionship clubs where exactly do you expect them to go ?
Correct , so the answer to the problem is ?
Since you are so clever
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| Quote Marsdengiant="Marsdengiant"A large proportion of Sky money goes to SL clubs. As it should. The remaining sky money goes into RL as a whole. It goes into a pot that provides funds for non SL clubs. So non SL clubs get sky money...live with it
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Ahh ok. Thought you knew the exact figures.
But your just presuming this money is from Sky? and not from other sources? Grand Finals, Challenge Cup finals etc?
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| Quote Roary="Roary"No. Totally different club. Despite the fact they cling onto the records of the old club.
Oldham Bears went bust in 1997.
The new club, Oldham RLFC 1997 Ltd, was formed afterwards and entered into the lowest tier of the RFL. They almost made it to Super League a few years back, losing in the Grand Final to Widnes.'"
I'm almost certain Oldham Bears played in that extended world club challenge that was held back in 1997
I seem to remeber they were thumped by a massive score by someone....not sure who when or where though
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| Quote pyeman="pyeman"They dont get sky money though, not in the same way that sl clubs do they are given money to spend on certain things but not money to spend however they want (on playing sqaud or youth structures), even then it is a pitifully small amount compared to the money sl clubs are given, without which most sl clubs would struggle, more still would struggle without a sugar daddy(something alot easier to attract in sl, take huddersfield for example without a rich benefactor and help from the rfl they would be languishing in the lower leagues now instead of having one of the brightest futures of any british rl club), how many rl clubs in britain are actually self sufficient ?
If rl is actually going to move forward we are going to need more clubs, whilst we seem to be heading towards less, if rl cant support the teams in the heartlands enough for them to survive then we might as well forget expansion altogether, if we support expansion clubs over the heartlands or vice versa we will be doomed to failure.
Yes many players from lower league clubs areas will come through sl academies mainly because the sl academies can offer far more money as they are given over a million a year by sky, have far greater sponsership opportunities, find it easier to attract sugar daddies, and get better travelling support. sl clubs will then let go all but the best of these youngsters, who end up playing in the nl's, maybe even for there local club who would have loved to have the chance to develop these youngsters but were outbid by sl rivals.
As for dual registration well we will have to see how it affects rl because no one on here can claim they know the effects of something that hasnt happened yet.'"
So part time teams that are rarely televised get far less SL money than ft teams regularly broadcast. This is true of all professional sports. Lower tier RU and football clubs get buttons compared with the top flight clubs.
Also the top clubs in any sport have more money and tend to have better academies. Only a moron would think that taking £20K out of the Leeds development budget and giving it to say Hunslet or bramley would improve the quality of players coming through. The idea that you can develop elite athletes on a pittance is nonsense.
The chip on the shoulder of some RL fans about 'sugar daddies' is sadly all too predictable. These guys are fans who love the game and put their own cash in. Good on them. Once again this is true of many sports. Oldham are now struggling because a wealthy local backer wants out while in barrow there is a resurrenge because of a local wealthy backer. Welcome to reality.
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"Link ?
You dont have a clue how clubs operate at that level , most dont need F/T CEO's and most definatley are not going to get somebody with millions to throw away on board just because they have a ' marketing ' executive
The mandatory games might continue but nobody cares to watch u 18's , be they Championship fans or SL fans , so what help exactly is that
So if these players didn't go to the Chamnpionship clubs where exactly do you expect them to go ?
Correct , so the answer to the problem is ?
Since you are so clever'"
I am sure that your post makes sense inside your head. In the real world it is incoherent.
The problem is that many clubs do not have a clue how to run themselves. Failing to pay their taxes or hiding behind CVAs - expecting someone else to pick up the tab for their incompetence.
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| Quote Marsdengiant="Marsdengiant"So part time teams that are rarely televised get far less SL money than ft teams regularly broadcast. This is true of all professional sports. Lower tier RU and football clubs get buttons compared with the top flight clubs.
Also the top clubs in any sport have more money and tend to have better academies. Only a moron would think that taking £20K out of the Leeds development budget and giving it to say Hunslet or bramley would improve the quality of players coming through. The idea that you can develop elite athletes on a pittance is nonsense.
The chip on the shoulder of some RL fans about 'sugar daddies' is sadly all too predictable. These guys are fans who love the game and put their own cash in. Good on them. Once again this is true of many sports. Oldham are now struggling because a wealthy local backer wants out while in barrow there is a resurrenge because of a local wealthy backer. Welcome to reality.'"
So you like the RFL see the only way clubs can survive and prosper is to ' snare ' a ' sugar daddy '
If that is the case then the sport will never prosper , and not just below SL , sustainability is what we need , more matches , better income from existing ' streams ' and most of all more ' pay through the gate ' fans
Clueless
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| Quote a.n Other="a.n Other"Ahh ok. Thought you knew the exact figures.
But your just presuming this money is from Sky? and not from other sources? Grand Finals, Challenge Cup finals etc?'"
Did you think that? really? Gosh.
I am not presuming anything - though you need to think otherwise. 
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| Quote Marsdengiant="Marsdengiant"I am sure that your post makes sense inside your head. In the real world it is incoherent.
The problem is that many clubs do not have a clue how to run themselves. Failing to pay their taxes or hiding behind CVAs - expecting someone else to pick up the tab for their incompetence.'"
Answer this one from Geekay
Quote MarsdengiantI wonder who got Town's mandatory game against SL opposition? Last season from the end of May until mid-September Town had 4 home games and during the same period Blackpool went 5 WEEKS without a game of any sort due to the incompetent nature of the fixture lists!!!! How do you suppose clubs get behind with tax bills, etc, when they have wages to pay to players and staff??? '"
This is just one of the problems clubs outside SL have
But not to worry the RFL will chuck 300 K a year at having Toulouse in the Championship , very helpful
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