That is not putting it another way. That is simply wrong. Catalans leaving Super League for the French Elite would weaken Catalans but make no positive difference to the French elite.



Only a lowly Leyther could come up with such a reactionary idea. Building French rugby league by having more French teams in Super League is what the game needs to grow. Having a suburb of greater Wigan, namely Leigh, in Super League contributes nothing to the growth of rugby league in the northern hemisphere. In fact it holds it back..

A 14 team Super League should contain 2 French, 1 Canadian and the 11 best English teams.

You forgot all the American teams the other Canadian team that are all supposed to be joining.



And in my opinion your wrong. SL should contain the best 14 teams. Regardless of location.

Other American and Canadian teams will join in future years. The important thing is to get Toulouse and Toronto into Super League for next year.



Location matters. Most British people have never even heard of Leigh, let alone know where it is. Most British people know of Toronto and New York and know exactly where they are located. Leigh is a cultural and economic backwater with a tiny population and little if any corporate wealth. Toronto and New York are two of the world's great modern cities, with vibrant economies, great corporate wealth, and huge populations. They broaden the supporter and player base of the game. Leigh does nothing for either.

Having a suburb of Merseyside, namely Everton, in the Premier League contributes nothing to the growth of football in England. In fact it holds it back.



Having a suburb of Greater London, namely Chelsea, in the Premier League contributes nothing to the growth of football in England. In fact it holds it back.



Having a suburb of Greater London, namely Tottenham, in the Premier League contributes nothing to the growth of football in England. In fact it holds it back.



Do you want me to keep going?

Got to disagree. Toronto, Toulouse and Catalans need to be in Super League (and excempt from relegation if they were to ever end in that position) for the greater good of the game.

IF they get there through the league then all well and good.

I just don't agree with putting them in because of where they are.

And I certainly don't agree with them being exempt from relegation.

Personally feel that every club should follow the same set of rules. And that's it's wrong to allow certain clubs exception just because there not from the UK. After all there is no profit that they/or the potential marketing etc will actually work.



it's not something we're ever going to agree on. But neither view should be discounted or wrong. It's what debates all about after all.



Mind you Toronto could get there through the league. As they seem to be getting a great result today.

You shouldn't put them in JUST because of where they are, but if SL got a guarantee from French tv that they would pump a load more money into the league if Toulouse and Catalan were in then I don't see how SL could turn that down, it would mean more money for every other club in the league.

Exempting Catalans from relegation!



They've all on performing when the trap door is open.

No need to go on. Your point is not well taken. You are confusing a small town (Wigan) and its suburbs, with two big cities (in London's case a giant city). The Borough of Wigan has just over three hundred thousand people. Greater London has over 8.63 million people. The districts of London such as Chelsea, and Tottenham, that you mention are at least as big as, if not bigger than, Wigan town (which is just over 100,000). Tiny Leigh is barely deserving of its own post office, let alone a rugby league team.

Population of Leigh= 52,000



Population of Everton= 15,000



Population of Chelsea= 41,000



Leigh is to Manchester what Everton is to Liverpool and Chelsea is to London



Try again!

Fair point.



But just can't see it happening. otherwise the French league would be alot better than it is. And would not have lost the amount of clubs. In France RU and football

Are far ahead of RL. And as with the other nations mentioned it will take a long time for us to get near to substantiality given the other sports and there presence in the market.



Although the clubs and respect boards, don't do near enough to promote the sport. And make decisions that don't help , like starting SL on opening 6 nations weekend. Gaurenting us less coverage in the media etc. Until we can get it right in our own country, it's hard to see how we are going to get it right in others.



Look at tonight's SuperBowl, alot of people don't like NFL. Or care about it, yet everyone nows it's on.

Yet talk to people about the challenge cup or the GF, and unless you follow the sport very few do.



Until we get a presence in the markets we're just not going to get the money.