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| Quote William Eve="William Eve"Anyone who doesn't believe there were 78,137 in attendance must really hate RL.'"
Can you do the same thing with matches? You could be like rainman but without the social skills.
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| Quote William Eve="William Eve"Anyone who doesn't believe there were 78,137 in attendance must really hate RL.'"
Not at all, and it isn't a question of whether you "believe" it, but whether there is a sane reason to doubt it. There isn't. It's not a matter of faith or religion. It's just the fookin official, actual attendance figure that's all.
What amuses me though is the fact that you must be the weirdest guy on the block, since you make an entire character by building your endless whining posts in this and other attendance-related threads on the foundations of many years of published attendance figures! It's what you do!! So if official attendance figures are as you seem to believe no more than some form of conspiratorial propaganda invention, why the fsck do you spend your entire waking life adding them up and comparing them? 
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| Quote Sal Paradise="Sal Paradise"Maybe you could have a close down of SL for a month and have CC every week with a two week gap to the final - so end of April with the final May bank holiday after the play offs in soccer'"
It would be my preferred method back to back coverage each week. Whether SKY would allow such a pause is a different matter.
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| Quote Ferocious Aardvark="Ferocious Aardvark"Not at all, and it isn't a question of whether you "believe" it, but whether there is a sane reason to doubt it. There isn't. It's not a matter of faith or religion. It's just the fookin official, actual attendance figure that's all.
What amuses me though is the fact that you must be the weirdest guy on the block, since you make an entire character by building your endless whining posts in this and other attendance-related threads on the foundations of many years of published attendance figures! It's what you do!! So if official attendance figures are as you seem to believe no more than some form of conspiratorial propaganda invention, why the fsck do you spend your entire waking life adding them up and comparing them?
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That's a bit harsh FA. Its actually therapy for the feeble minded. (Billy is their star patient).
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| Quote Ferocious Aardvark="Ferocious Aardvark"It's just the fookin official, actual attendance figure that's all.'"
Official attendance does not equate to actual attendance.
Official attendance (which includes all Club Wembley seats whether occupied or not) = 78,137
Number of Club Wembley seats = 17,500
Number of Club Wembley seats occupied at the CC Final = not very many, but I'll be extremely optimistic and suggest 2,500 of them were occupied.
78,137 less 15,000 empty Club Wembley seats = Actual Attendance of around 63,000.
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| Quote Ferocious Aardvark="Ferocious Aardvark"Not at all, and it isn't a question of whether you "believe" it, but whether there is a sane reason to doubt it. There isn't. It's not a matter of faith or religion. It's just the fookin official, actual attendance figure that's all.
What amuses me though is the fact that you must be the weirdest guy on the block, since you make an entire character by building your endless whining posts in this and other attendance-related threads on the foundations of many years of published attendance figures! It's what you do!! So if official attendance figures are as you seem to believe no more than some form of conspiratorial propaganda invention, why the fsck do you spend your entire waking life adding them up and comparing them?
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I think to be honest FA, the difference is between the number of seats which were paid for, and the number of seats which had bums on them during the game.
As I understand it, the club Wembley seats are all pre-paid annually, and the annual ticket is for every event at the stadium - so technically, the club Wembley seats were all sold for the cup final. On that basis, just like season ticket holders at club games, they are deemed to be in attendance even if not there. So I guess Wembley Stadium got money from over 78k people on Saturday, and that was the 'attendance'.
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| Quote gutterfax="gutterfax"
You have me there; for the life of me I can't find an article relating to what I thought had occurred.
So I withdraw the comment unlike some I can admit to being wrong and I don't change the point.
My recollection was that the RFL had taken over player development and academy costs from some years back allowing London to just fund their first team.
However I must be wrong as I can't find this anywhere, so I'm not sure why I thought this was the case.
I was not trying to go off thread, just trying to balance out that Richard Lewis had good and bad points, but he was far from a disaster.
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[iThe RFL accumulated losses of £1.9 million at the end of 2001, shortly before a major restructuring of the governing body and the appointment of Richard Lewis as executive chairman in May 2002. Within a year of joining the RFL, he oversaw reunification with BARLA after nearly 30 years of division. Lewis left in 2012 to become Chief Executive of the All England Lawn Tennis and Croquet Club. The RFL net value has been positive every year since 2004, being £1.7M in 2011.
In 2011 a major change to the game was agreed, changing from a winter to a summer game, starting in 2012 with a playing season from March to November, aligning with the Super League, which has played this way since 1996. The regional leagues may include winter competitions in addition.[/i
So some pretty decent results there for RL and his time at the RFL.
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| Anyone who doesn't believe the ACTUAL ATTENDANCE was 78,137 must be among the weirdest people on the block.
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| Quote bewareshadows="bewareshadows"It would be my preferred method back to back coverage each week. Whether SKY would allow such a pause is a different matter.'"
Sky wouldn’t necessarily be the problem. It would be the fact that it would leave some clubs without games for large periods of time which would cause cash flow issues, as well as player preparedness issues (from both sides, some would complain that the players would be out of shape and lacking in match sharpness, others would complain that a club used it as a mini-preseason and came up to the business end of the year fresher and fitter)
Im just not sure why we insist that all matches in the same round are played on the same weekend. We could sell to the BBC 1 challenge cup game a week throughout the summer. Play it on a Saturday when we don’t have the Sky game anymore. 4 games from round 4, 4 from round 5, 2 from the quarter finals, the 2 semi’s and the final would be all played on a different week would give us 13 weeks coverage. A weeks break for the magic weekend (which is on the biggest sporting weekend of the year anyway)a two week break for Wimbledon, and a weeks break after round 5, the QF, and the semi would pretty much mean that round 4 could start at the same time and the final can be at the same time, but we would have coverage for 13 out of 20 weeks instead of 5, giving a much better flow to the competition and keeping interest.
As for the impact on Sky, well I think it would be an advertisement for the game which is good in the long run for them, but from the other side, it also means that they don’t have the 5/6 weeks loss of content the currently have because of the Challenge Cup. As well as giving clubs more flexibility if they did need to rearrange fixtures.
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| Quote William Eve="William Eve"Official attendance does not equate to actual attendance.
Official attendance (which includes all Club Wembley seats whether occupied or not) = 78,137
Number of Club Wembley seats = 17,500
Number of Club Wembley seats occupied at the CC Final = not very many, but I'll be extremely optimistic and suggest 2,500 of them were occupied.
78,137 less 15,000 empty Club Wembley seats = Actual Attendance of around 63,000.'"
You doing a rainman impression and pretending you have counted 2500 out of 17500 does not equate to the Actual Attendance.
In fact, a little tip for you. If you need to use the word ‘around’ because you are approximating (or in your case, plain ol’ guessing) you cant also use the ‘actual’.
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"You doing a rainman impression and pretending you have counted 2500 out of 17500 does not equate to the Actual Attendance.
In fact, a little tip for you. If you need to use the word ‘around’ because you are approximating (or in your case, plain ol’ guessing) you cant also use the ‘actual’.'"
Not only that Smokey but, its fair to assume that the attendance this year was compiled in the same way as the previous attendances at the new Wembley. 
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