What we're all forgetting in all this Hill - George Burgess praise is that if Graham hadn't been (apparently) dropped one of them probably wouldn't have started. So, perhaps should start on the bench next week?

^ Absolutely. Graham plays a lot off the bench for Bulldogs anyway, will be good to have him involved again but there's no way he should be starting.

Also to think of it in terms of prop partnerships. Think out of the two of Mossop and Tom Burgess we should let the latter get another shot and I think coming on around the same time as our most experienced prop could be good for him.

I was quietly impressed with that performance, If we didnt drop conentration for the Dlater try just befre h/t and cut out a few silly drop balls and penalties we could have won that game. I thought the halfbacks worked reasonably well with Tomkins and when we had field position we looked dangerous. I'll be honest I was concerned about Watkins and Cudjoe defensive but thy was spot on yesterday. Tom Burgess and Mossop were below par, Westwood needs to be a little bit cleverer when he's houseing ala Greg Bird, although I like that side of his game. I was disappointed with Hall he seemed sheepish and not upto his usually Leeds standards and Josh could have done better with the in touch incident. I don't think Ablett offers anything of the bench although I rate him, and even though Farrell is a 80 min workhorse he has neat feet and speed for a forward and can make breaks. Bearing that in mind when we are full strength I would go as follows...



Tomkins

Charnley

Watkins

Cudjoe

Hall

Chase

Sinfield

Hill

McLlorum

G Burgess

Ferres

Burgess

O'Loughlin



Roby (On after 20 for the remainder)

Graham (Used like at the Bulldogs on after 20 for remainder)

Westwood (Brought on for a prop and S Burgess pushed to front row)

Farrell

So we can all agree the strongest setup would be

Drop mossop

Tom burgess 1 more chance or drop



Props

Graham, hill, g and s burgess



Ferres, Westwood, SOL



Centres are nailed on.

Wingers are the best we have but have to play to their best ability



The rest is debatable

Quote loiner81="loiner81"Give it a rest, you and so many others on here are just embarrassing yourselves with your Sinfield and/or Rhinos hatred. The "system" worked for 20 minutes because Aus were obviously very rusty and played like donkeys for 20 minutes. Once they found their feet there was only going to be one winner, unfortunately. I do think we've got it in us to reach the final though and anything could happen there. By your logic the only reason England/GB haven't won a series for 40 years then is due to us having crap captains. The evidence is in the scorelines afterall. Stats from yesterday: live.nrlstats.com/matches/nrl/match25396.html Unbiased, agenda free NRL player ratings: www.nrl.com/player-ratings-austr ... e_featured International player ratings since 2008: www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/austra ... 6494737540'" Sinfield is only part of a bigger problem but it's like an elephant in the room people don't want to admit it is there. Contrary to what a lot of people think I actually do believe that Sinfield is a better than average british rugby league player, I have yet to be convinced he is of international standard and that half back is his best position. His efforts and rewards playing for Leeds speak for themselves but he is not in any way an international standard half back. There is a big problem with RL in this country but no one is prepared to say anything. The nearest comparison is the story of the emperors new clothes. I'm sorry if my interpretation of things goes against the grain but until England/GB can compete and beat the Aussies (The bench mark) convincingly in a major completion or in a test match series my views I believe are valid.

Quote loiner81="loiner81"Give it a rest, you and so many others on here are just embarrassing yourselves with your Sinfield and/or Rhinos hatred. The "system" worked for 20 minutes because Aus were obviously very rusty and played like donkeys for 20 minutes. Once they found their feet there was only going to be one winner, unfortunately. I do think we've got it in us to reach the final though and anything could happen there. By your logic the only reason England/GB haven't won a series for 40 years then is due to us having crap captains. The evidence is in the scorelines afterall. Stats from yesterday: live.nrlstats.com/matches/nrl/match25396.html Unbiased, agenda free NRL player ratings: www.nrl.com/player-ratings-austr ... e_featured International player ratings since 2008: www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/austra ... 6494737540'" Sinfield is only part of a bigger problem but it's like an elephant in the room people don't want to admit it is there. Contrary to what a lot of people think I actually do believe that Sinfield is a better than average british rugby league player, I have yet to be convinced he is of international standard and that half back is his best position. His efforts and rewards playing for Leeds speak for themselves but he is not in any way an international standard half back. There is a big problem with RL in this country but no one is prepared to say anything. The nearest comparison is the story of the emperors new clothes. I'm sorry if my interpretation of things goes against the grain but until England/GB can compete and beat the Aussies (The bench mark) convincingly in a major completion or in a test match series my views I believe are valid.

As I said before its not about Sinfield its about the whole squad.



To suggest your views are valid because we haven't beat the Aussies in a while is bizarre. Take Sinfield out and replace him with any of our other world class half backs and you think we'd beat 'em regularly? Replace him with Thurston and you think we'd beat them regularly? Your view is wholly invalid and frankly ridiculous.

its not that your views are against the grain, it's that they are demonstrably nonsense. Sinfield is an international standard half back. You know how I know that as a fact? Because he is playing international football, at the highest level for a major nation. He is doing it regularly and with some success.



The fact you have decided on some quite nonsensical criteria to define 'international standard' is neither here nor there because by your criteria no English players are 'international standard' SBW isn't an international standard 2nd Rower and there has been less than 30 'international standard' players in the game who weren't wearing green and gold since 1972

I'm just not a fan of Westwood at all.



He reminds me a bit of Kirk Yeaman who was made to look good by Paul Cooke and then when he left Hull Yeamans career never really sore to the heights it once promised. For me Westwood needs Briers and looks lost without him. If he didn't give away so many penalties his work rate could be enough to see him in the England side but for me its not enough.

The current fixation with Australia is irrational. NZ have a better team - it's theirs to lose.

Your right to mention the above. We have had problems with Perenara in the past as you rightly indicate. Time and time again we have had problems with the officials. They're like 'the elephant in the room'. Australia don't need any help in beating us, but they invariably get it.



He went to the screen every time for our try's.

Wasn't the main problem with Perenara in 2011 that he didn't give Tony Williams a red card for a high shot on an English player, much to the outrage of everyone on here?



Odd then that nobody appears outraged that he allowed Westwood and Burgess to play the game. I'd have expected most people to be angry at the fact neither were red carded.



You must have all changed your perspective on high tackles over the space of the last 2 years. That must be it.