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| Quote Donnyman="Donnyman"If innocent until proven guilty, and the courts are to decide that, then the club should give way to the courts.
But of course if the player concedes wrong doing to the club and consequent sanctions from the club then fair enough.
I can't see an RFL regulation working where the player does not concede wrong doing in the period before the alleged misdemeanour is tried in Court.
Would you rush to suspend a player who denies a charge who could then turn out to be wholly innocent. That suspension would be read by fans as guilty......
Then that Mud sticks....'"
I guess Jack De Belin will be the test case for this, IF he is not found guilty.
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| Quote nottinghamtiger="nottinghamtiger"Again, what I’ve written is just factual.
I’ve not expressed an opinion on whether he is guilty or not.
I’ve made two points about Gelling:
1. He’s due to stand trial for GBH.
2. If convicted (notice the IF) of the offence he is accused of, he might get a custodial sentence.
Both of these points are facts, not opinions..'"
So do you think he should play before his trial?
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| Quote Donnyman="Donnyman"
Can a club really unilaterally suspend anyone pending a court case, who denies a charge, on the club Directors "opinion" that said player is guilty?.'"
No, but that’s exactly what happens in Aus with the Integrity Unit.. The ‘no fault stand-down’ policy is exactly this.
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| Quote Donnyman="Donnyman"And nothing at all to balance your opinion in terms of what if the other party were maliciously not telling the truth??. ..'"
Perhaps worth remembering that the other party isn’t the one facing trial and avoid the victim blaming.
To reach this stage, the debate isn’t about whether a crime has been committed. It’s about whether there is enough evidence to convict a particular individual of perpetrating it.
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| Quote Cokey="Cokey"So do you think he should play before his trial?'"
Honestly, I’m unsure.
One one hand, at the moment he’s an innocent man; on the other, he’s facing trial for a serious offence.
My original point was that I don’t think Leigh should have signed a player facing an imminent trial for GBH, and that it’s not the image the game should be promoting.
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| Quote nottinghamtiger="nottinghamtiger"Honestly, I’m unsure.'"
I'll leave it there then.
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| Quote Cokey="Cokey"I'll leave it there then.'"
Ther is nothing wrong with accepting that there are different perspectives!
Of course, at times we do restrict the employment of people accused of criminal offences. Whether that’s appropriate for an RL player, I’m not sure.
What I am sure of is that some kind of Integrity Unit in the UK game, capable of suspending players for off-field behaviour, would be a welcome introduction.
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| I dont think he should play no.
Terrible decision all round and again, makes a mockery of our sport.
Like beating up women, drink driving, homophobia, taking illicit drugs or bashing students? Cant get a job elsewhere because no one will employ you? No worries, come to super league in England, we are desperate. Never played rugby before? Doesnt matter, as long as you tick on of the aforementioned boxes we will have you
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| Quote nottinghamtiger="nottinghamtiger"Yep.
One of the ideas we should be copying from the NRL is the concept of a ‘Integrity Unit’ (though I’m not sure I’d call it the same thing) that can suspend players for off-field incidents that bring the game into disrepute.'"
Agreed.
I would rather Leigh had searched harder & longer for a player of calibre & without the negative baggage.
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Quote Durham Giant="Durham Giant"No he should have been stood down as soon he was charged as that means that CPS have determined their is a better than 70 %chance of conviction.
=#FF0000You know this because a) you are a police officer ? b) a member of the CPS ? or c) you are a lawyer ?
It is not as if he was a Leigh player they have signed him knowing he is in court soon.
It is a shocking decision
Regardless of whether other teams have done the same two wrongs don’t make a right.
This condones an acceptance of DV.. even if he does not get convicted as the victim is in Back in NZ this may harm evidence against him , he may even get off with a lesser charge but the headlines say it all
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -club.html
The headlines also say that Leigh and Wire were happy to ignore the above .
=#FF0000Where do the headlines say they are happy to ignore ?
=#FF0000No they don't !!! You have provided a link that was published in July 2020, the headlines =#FF0000DO NOT say that at all !!! In fact Leigh are not mentioned at all as they had no interest or connections & Warrington suspended Gelling & then got rid of him.
When Greg Johnson did the same he never played for the Giants again.
Both of them are scum'"
FWIW , I believe that the RFL & SL should block any signings of players with ongoing or proven offences at this level, the same goes for the likes of Foloau, Chase, Barba, Hardaker & just for fun Joel Monaghan the Dog Botherer & Tomkins the Rectum of Wigan for example.
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Quote Durham Giant="Durham Giant"No he should have been stood down as soon he was charged as that means that CPS have determined their is a better than 70 %chance of conviction.
=#FF0000You know this because a) you are a police officer ? b) a member of the CPS ? or c) you are a lawyer ?
It is not as if he was a Leigh player they have signed him knowing he is in court soon.
It is a shocking decision
Regardless of whether other teams have done the same two wrongs don’t make a right.
This condones an acceptance of DV.. even if he does not get convicted as the victim is in Back in NZ this may harm evidence against him , he may even get off with a lesser charge but the headlines say it all
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -club.html
The headlines also say that Leigh and Wire were happy to ignore the above .
=#FF0000Where do the headlines say they are happy to ignore ?
=#FF0000No they don't !!! You have provided a link that was published in July 2020, the headlines =#FF0000DO NOT say that at all !!! In fact Leigh are not mentioned at all as they had no interest or connections & Warrington suspended Gelling & then got rid of him.
When Greg Johnson did the same he never played for the Giants again.
Both of them are scum'"
FWIW , I believe that the RFL & SL should block any signings of players with ongoing or proven offences at this level, the same goes for the likes of Foloau, Chase, Barba, Hardaker & just for fun Joel Monaghan the Dog Botherer & Tomkins the Rectum of Wigan for example.
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| Quote Ste100Centurions="Ste100Centurions"FWIW , I believe that the RFL & SL should block any signings of players with ongoing or proven offences at this level, the same goes for the likes of Foloau, Chase, Barba, Hardaker & just for fun Joel Monaghan the Dog Botherer & Tomkins the Rectum of Wigan for example.'"
I work in child protection and probably the biggest issue we take up is domestic violence probably over 50% of cases.
I liaise with the police, women’s refuges , probation etc on a daily basis. The cps don’t take cases to court unless they have a high percentage of getting a conviction. So they do not think there is evidence , they have to pass a test which is , on the evidence available is their a realistic proposition that the court will convict. They have to be satisfied the evidence is there and strong enough to convince a judge and jury they will convict the perpetrator. The more serious the offence the more they have to satisfy themselves that they are likely to get a conviction
As this case is in very much in the public domain hence my link to a newspaper article there are many others it my view it does diminish the game and makes Leigh look bad that they are prepared to give a short term contract to someone because they think he may not be around for along contract does suggest that they are aware of the issues but have chosen to ignore them for some short term benefit.. it is just plain wrong
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| I can’t believe there are people in this thread sticking up for Leigh and the maggot himself by stating “innocent until proven guilty” or something along those lines.
We know her face was smashed in and was hospitalised. Do you all think she fell into a wall or something? You should all be Ashamed.
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