really fielden is rubbish :S maybe wasn't as good as he once was but to say he is rubbish is rubbish in it self. flower well he is a sqaud filler nothing exceptional agreed. but to say mossop is a so so player

he is the best of the current young english props and will become the best. more to the point is we are missing 4 props 3 injuries and 1 banned



yes laffranchi is a good player for you gives 100percent even with royce in charge but hardly like for like with mossop missing, wellens yeah big blow but why do something stupid its hardly bad luck, wheeler could become a main player for you but so far he hasn't so no real loss.

so you have 2 players banned 1 injured and none of them in the same position not as bad situation for saints.

True, it's not like Laffranchi carries the ball more, tackles more, makes more tackle busts, makes more offloads . . . . . is it?

Mossop has a very high yards per carry at just under 8. Given that he's made no cleans breaks to distort that figure, its shows he's giving them excellent go forward. I'm glad he's missing as I think he's turned into a major player for them.



its a pity Richards is back. Charnley's boot looks a little wayward and could've been the difference if things are close.

I know, he's a cracking player and I agree he'll go on to be Britain's best prop. But to say us missing Laffranchi isn't comparable is just tosh. La Frank has been huge for us the last couple of weeks.

sorry that didnt come across as i wanted, i think laffranchi is a good player alot better than i thought he was going to be and i put that on another thread somewhere. what i mean is i dont think laffranchi will be your man go forward man where as this season mossop has been wigans.

Yes, and to be fair, I posted his stats compared to Morley's in the run up to the Leeds game and they were virtually identical. Since then the extra movement and pace we've brought in has seen all our props go up a gearand are all impressing.

If Wane could have picked two players to remove from Saints, those two would have been 2 and 3 behind Roby. Wellens being out means we're devoid of a captain and a leader. Someone like Josh Perry really needs to stand up now and be really vocal.



Losing Laffranchi is a disaster and just shows how weak the squad is, there is no replacement for him.



If both had played we would have won IMO, the momentum was all behind us to kill them off early. Now the cat is well amongst the pidgeons and I can see us being turned over.

You can't really compare stats like for like with Mossop and Laffranchi though. When Mossop was fully fit he was averaging 108 metres and 26 tackles per game.

Because of his injury he's ended up playing 3 games after that where he's gone off injured after 20 minutes and that's dragged the numbers way down.



In the games that haven't been cut short by his ankle injury Mossop has been immense for Wigan, and without him the pack struggled until Prescott got back up to speed.

We all rate Mossop, but in a similar vain, Saints weren't firing at all until 2 games ago, so I'd expect Boof's stats to start to improve.



Mossops a blow to Wigan, Laff' is a blow to Saints. I think what we're worried about is that we've only just started firing, so ANY change is going to concern us.

Wigan forum saying Lockers out of the Wigan 19 now?

Super League summary



St Helens won 26 (includes win in 2000 Grand Final & wins in 2000, 2002, 2009 and 2011 play-offs)

Wigan won 27 (includes win in 2010 Grand Final & wins in 2001, 2003 and 2004 play-offs)

4 draws

St Helens highest score: 57-16 (MM, 200icon_cool.gif (also widest margin)

Wigan highest score: 65-12 (A, 1997) (also widest margin)



Hope we can even the fixture up tomorrow with 27 wins each?

Safe to say it is hard to believe much of the team news coming from Wigan at the moment with any confidence as there has been more smoke and mirrors than from fire in mirrorworld!



Undoubtedly he'd be a big loss to their defence and the width to their attack but even if he has dropped out today like Farrell i'd not be surprised to see at least one of them make a lazarus style recovery tomorrow.