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| Quote SaintsFan="SaintsFan"You can roam at centre if you want to so long as you don't neglect your duties. He played very well at centre I thought but then he was free to spot opportunities and exploit them (he was the only one capable of it so far as I could see). The point is: he was free. He wasn't overburdened by responsibility.'"
I thought you are a RL coach? A centre cant "roam" they have to stay in their channel! where was this coaching course of yours?
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| Quote Saint Simon="Saint Simon"I thought you are a RL coach? A centre cant "roam" they have to stay in their channel! where was this coaching course of yours?'"
Well, I did say flippantly so long as you don't neglect your duties! I was being silly because I'm weary of having the points I make distorted and picked at unnecessarily.
Billinge Lump knew very well what I meant as was evidenced by what he said next. He also happens to agree with my position: Kyle needs support in the organising of things. Now I am yet to be convinced of Kyle's ability to organise, a view which BL doesn't share with me. But there really was no need to pull apart my statement in the way he did. It's wearying.
PS: RFL level 1. I'm just a baby coach. But I said that when I first mentioned my course.
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| Quote SaintsFan="SaintsFan"Well, I did say flippantly so long as you don't neglect your duties! I was being silly because I'm weary of having the points I make distorted and picked at unnecessarily.
Billinge Lump knew very well what I meant as was evidenced by what he said next. He also happens to agree with my position: Kyle needs support in the organising of things. Now I am yet to be convinced of Kyle's ability to organise, a view which BL doesn't share with me. But there really was no need to pull apart my statement in the way he did. It's wearying.'"
It's only wearying if you make your points too forcefully. I love your enthusiasm for Saints and love that you're keen to get involved in coaching etc. But I do think you sometimes state things with absolute certainty, sometimes rubbishing other opinions, then refusing to give an inch when someone points out that something may not be quite as clear cut as you believe it to be. If you did, it wouldn't be at all wearying - it would be a conversation.
Anyway, good luck with the courses.
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| Quote SaintsFan="SaintsFan"Well, I did say flippantly so long as you don't neglect your duties! I was being silly because I'm weary of having the points I make distorted and picked at unnecessarily.
Billinge Lump knew very well what I meant as was evidenced by what he said next. He also happens to agree with my position: Kyle needs support in the organising of things. Now I am yet to be convinced of Kyle's ability to organise, a view which BL doesn't share with me. But there really was no need to pull apart my statement in the way he did. It's wearying.
PS: RFL level 1. I'm just a baby coach. But I said that when I first mentioned my course.'"
i think what the lump was saying is that he has more space to roam at 7 than a centre, or as saddened says in the initial question much more at fullback than any position, but for me he isnt big enough for full back, can you imagine Ryan hall breaking through with only kyle to runover? it wouldnt be pretty!
We only have to see how he combined with Tompkins in the world cup to see he has the class, but needs his 6 to do something, anything to help him except stand around like a lost soul!
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| Quote FearTheVee="FearTheVee"It's only wearying if you make your points too forcefully. .'"
Fair enough. Point taken. I will try to modify the way I express my opinion.
(No sarcasm there incidentally)
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| Quote SaintsFan="SaintsFan"Well, I did say flippantly so long as you don't neglect your duties! I was being silly because I'm weary of having the points I make distorted and picked at unnecessarily.'"
Your points aren't distorted and picked at unnecesessarily though. Any inconsistancies are usually in your own posts, like the centre having freedom to roam to any great extent. You might like to think I follow you around to pick on you, but I don't.
Quote SaintsFanBillinge Lump knew very well what I meant as was evidenced by what he said next. '"
No I didn't. If I did I wouldn't have picked you up on it. My comments were based on what I believe.
Quote SaintsFanHe also happens to agree with my position: Kyle needs support in the organising of things. Now I am yet to be convinced of Kyle's ability to organise, a view which BL doesn't share with me.'"
A view that you are perfectly entitled to and I respect. I don't think he's the finished article and it may turn out that he can't organise a team well enough on his own, but we'll never find out if he doesn't play the position. You may find that we agree on more things than you think, I just don't agree with you on Potter and that's the main topic of conversation at the moment.
Quote SaintsFanBut there really was no need to pull apart my statement in the way he did. It's wearying.'"
You shouldn't contradict yourself within two sentences then. 
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| Quote SaintsFan="SaintsFan"Fair enough. Point taken. I will try to modify the way I express my opinion.
(No sarcasm there incidentally)'"
Potter out!
Starting to get excited about the weekend now - big game! The Bulls have a good pack so hopefully we can front up and give Kyle the platform he needs - perhaps Leon being back at Odsal will be motivation enough for him to perform.
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| Quote Saint Simon="Saint Simon"but for me he isnt big enough for full back, can you imagine Ryan hall breaking through with only kyle to runover? it wouldnt be pretty! '"
I agree. Mind you, the thought of Ryan Hall in any context isn't pretty!!
Quote Saint SimonWe only have to see how he combined with Tompkins in the world cup to see he has the class, but needs his 6 to do something, anything to help him except stand around like a lost soul!'"
Absolutely.
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| Quote FearTheVee="FearTheVee"Have your say, but throwing around "clueless", "idiot" and "rubbish" at me for expressing an opinion does you no favours.
From memory Kyle started 3 games at 7 last year:
Warrington away - stars, win, 40 points scored.
Quins away - stars, win, 44 points scored.
Wigan at home - stars, win, match winning try.
You may say that he didn't do damage in those games, I would disagree. I won't call you clueless, an idiot or your opinion rubbish though.
There may have been other starts at 7 that I have missed, and I'll be happy to reconsider if there are.'"
He played 7 at Bradfut as well and we scored 40+ points as well. The kid is a number 7 and the team should be built around him imo. If anyone needs shifting into the centres or full back for that matter it's Leon 'I've been on vacation since last July' Pryce. Wheeler to be given a run at 6 if Pryce doesn't get his act together sharpish.
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| Patience.......Rome wasnt built in a day!!!!!! he has the attributes to make a great scrum half but needs time to perfect them!!!!!!
those who are saying trying him at different posistions dont kno the game that well.......if we start messing Kyle about in different posistions, he may well get fed up and go to the dark side.
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| Quote Clan-destine="Clan-destine"Patience.......Rome wasnt built in a day!!!!!! he has the attributes to make a great scrum half but needs time to perfect them!!!!!!
those who are saying trying him at different posistions dont kno the game that well.......if we start messing Kyle about in different posistions, he may well get fed up and go to the dark side.'"
and one reason he may stay "in the light" is he will be 7, in the centre of things, not put on the wing scooting round big lumbering RU players
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| It is impossible to say so there isn't much point in debating about it. Sean Long became the best British scrum half of his generation despite initially being seen as a speedy stand-off.
I've never seen a 20 year old scrum half that could organize as long as I've been watching the game (with the exception of Joey Johns, but players like that don't come along every day). Give it until the end of the season and then we can see how he is developing.
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