How many times have Saints played (and beat) Wigan at Cardiff, and what were the years? Think its 3 but not sure. Thanks in advance.

Millenium Magic 5th May 2007

St Helens 34-18 Wigan Warriors



Millenium Magic 4th May 2008

St Helens 57-16 Wigan Warriors



2004 Challenge Cup Final

St Helens 32-16 Wigan Warriors



Yup, 3 times we've played there against you and 3 times we've lost. I reckon that's up for a change on the next Millenium Magic

No doubt it will be. Beat us with a full strength side (Or close to) and I'll respect it. Beating a team with five or six missing is something any team in SL could do (Bar possibly Warrington teams from 1996 onwards).

Agreed, I cant wait for the game. I really really hope we beat them and wonder if they will still think of themselves as invincible. I honestly think will a full strength squad we will beat them.

We already have Richards and I think you guys have Perry for a starters out of the game.

Millenium Stadium is our ground and Murrayfield is their ground.

Oh God, you're not still carping on about that are you?



Take the Grand Final - You weren't the only side with injuries, and the last time I looked, Matty Smith was a specialist scrum half, who controlled the previous playoff game for you. Jon Wilkin has also played stand off for you on many occasions with great success.

We were the only side with both our halfbacks missing through injury, though, and that was supremely evident. Matty Smith was fab during the Warrington play off but didn't make any impact during the Hudds playoff. Aside from any questions over his ability, he didn't have enough experience to be in a position to take control of the game as a scrum half needed to do in the Grand Final. Both or either of Pryce and Eastmond would have had no such problems. We suffered greatly for the lack of halfbacks. Wilkin is no halfback and has only excelled there once: against Leeds in 2008. He's been rubbish each subsequent time. That isn't his fault: he isn't a halfback.

You still wouldn't have won if Pryce and Eastmond were playing. Wigan didn't fire in attack, apart from Gleeson's second try. Our first and third tries came about because some of your players forgot how to tackle. Our defence was fairly solid though.



As for Wigan, it could be said that we had no halfbacks either. As we all know, Tommy's international position - and best position - is hooker, and Deacon is supposedly knackered and past it - either way, he's a scrum half, not a stand off, which is where he was on GF day. Our stand off was covering at fullback for the injured Cameron Phelps.



Come to think of it, Pat went off in the first half, and Darrell Goulding - normally a centre - was also covering injury, for Amos Roberts.



But of course, only you had injuries.

Losing a winger is no curse for any team. Losing both your halfbacks is.



Had Pryce and Eastmond played Saints would have won easily. Next season may be different as you are stronger and we're still merrily skipping down the mysterious squad development route.

Quote of the decade.