Already creaming themselves over defeating a team who are technically 2nd Division side in Leigh.



Also with Myler running in 3/4 tries (seems to be an argument over how many as one was announced as Mathers) against again a part-time side...









Roll on the new season can't come too soon!

Saints will finish 5th this season behind Leeds, Wigan, Wire and Bradford

Saints will finish 2nd or third depending on injuries.

Going to fly a bit under the radar I reckon.

£10 bet Saints finish higher than 5th

I'll get in on that too.





Absolutely no way Saints will finish outside the top4.



Wigan's squad is no different to last year, in fact it's weaker without Hock IMO. There is nothing to suggest they'll finish above us except blind pessimism on our part.

Only a coach who knows how to coach beyond one up rugby, something we lack, a fitter side, and oung players with anohter years experience.



I expect an embarrasing last Good Friday at Knowsley Road.

Remains to be seen, you could equally say he can't coach defence judging by their last match. Who knows how McGuire will turn out? He could be great, he could flop - he wouldn't be the first.







Says who? Fat Feka losing 13 stone doesn't mean they'll be a fitter team than us.







Do players only grow older in Wigan?



We were pretty awful last year and still reached the GF and finished above Wigan.

Saints will finish above Warrington, no doubt. I think Leeds and maybe Huddersfield will finish above us.

I gather that you're probably fishing here, but Bradford? They sign a decent scrum half and that automatically turns them into a top 4 team? No chance.



Leeds

Saints

Warrington

Wigan



Would be my early prediction.

Warrington have always been strong against the better teams. It's their performances against the smaller sides that has always cost them. They lose to the likes of Cas and Wakey and Quins at home. They are stronger than us, there really is little doubt about that. Their pack is better and their backs are so much better it's not funny.



I think Saints will do one of two things. One is finish second, flying under the radar as mentioned with everyone creaming themselves about the likes of Warrington, Wigan and Bradford's improvements. OR Saints will continue to struggle and with the undoubted improvements shown by the likes of Warrington, Bradford, Hull and Wigan end up finishing about 6th or 7th. Don't underestimate the importance of Mr S Long to our success over the past decade. He is our organisation and our soul. We will find it very hard without him.



We have zero chance of winning Super League and will need a great draw (Like Warrington's last year) in order to win the Cup. For me it's about time the board showed they understand they need to rebuild and start doing it by announcing some mighty signings mid way through next year.

There is enormous doubt about that.









Losing Hock and signing Deacon?







We got pretty close last year despite you predicting a loss in every round of the play-offs, and we've a stronger squad this year IMO.







The board clearly recognise the need to rebuild - Eastmond has been re-signed and an ageing Long released, Soliola signed and an ageing Gilmour released, Moore brought back in etc.



We were inches and a mistake away from winning the GF last year, we topped the league for a period, we've strengthened the squad (IMO) but suddenly we're going to come 5th this year?

So you think that fact that we aren't signing every great player around is down to the board? Have you heard of the salary cap? Do you really think our board don't understand the need to keep improving/rebuilding etc? If it's all so blindingly simple and obvious to you I wonder why you're not in charge...