Williams has potential, no problem with him. They should be planning towards 2017 world cup with the squads for this series and the four nations next year.

Sean O'Loughlin says hi.

The difference is O'Loughlin very rarely plays poorly for England.



I just wish fans would put club loyalties aside and support the team. If you're there on Saturday I'll pm you my mobile number, come and have a chat.

When was mags last game for England? Was it the Aussies at the JJB in 2009?

I do and will be supporting the team. Bit rich asking to put club loyalties aside when that's clearly what's going on in your view of McGuire. In truth, he and O'Loughlin have had very similar international careers. O'Loughlin is England captain and loose-forward on merit despite not quite being the player he used to be, and probably not being around for the 4N/WC. Any argument you can make for or against his selection you can make for or against McGuire. (I actually argued *against* McGuire's selection in favour of Williams on another thread (check that for club bias), but

O'Loughlin doesn't have a young gun LF ready to take his place right now.

Could the same be said of Sam Tomkins? Albeit younger than McGuire but more appearances against NZ and Australia, yet still hasn't produced a performance against either that is above average.

If Hardaker performs well he should keep the position, no problem with that at all.

I think McGuire should be in the squad before Matty Smith, and I think he'd do well with either Williams, or Widdop in the halves, as it seems to me none of the pivots in the squad seem to be able to pass the ball more than 10 yards to either side, McGuire would at least be able to provide early ball to the back line, even though you would lose a bit of pace in the midfield.

Smith was very fortunate to be picked. Three halfbacks would have been fine, another forward or centre would have been my choice.

What is this insistence on picking players for the future? It's stupid. It makes these Test series in to nothing more than a bunch of meaningless friendlies, when they should be considered the pinnacle of the game like they are in Cricket for example.

I fully support the team. Please find an evidence to say otherwise.

So it's disloyal to suggest Mags should have been in contention for the squad? He plays a very different game now to one he played the last time he was called up and it is one that I think would add considerably to the current England squads options.

Completely agree. Mags would put more people through gaps and cause lots of problems for this New Zealand Outfit.



If Rogues wants evidence, then I suggest he watch the Leeds Rhinos vs New Zealand Game again. If not for Richard Silverwood, the scoreboard would have been a lot closer!