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| I'm disappointed that he has been sacked. It's a bad start to the season but we've seen a slight upturn in results. I'm a season of rebuilding there are going to be bumps.
However, those saying he is a scapegoat are a little wide if the mark. In the games I've seen the players don't seem bothered, and the defense in the middle and in the line is woeful.
Both of those lie with the coach I'm afraid. We have a squad full of rubbish, but it's not the worst group of players in the competition. As a coach he has to get the most out of his squad. He hasn't done that, not even close
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| Quote The Magic Rat="The Magic Rat"According to quotes from Sinfield, this is the first time we have had any marquee players. Maybe you know better?
Agree regarding the half's, even a past his best McGuire is better than Myler. Moon was far better than Lolohea.
Parcell and Cuthbertson did look far better players, maybe due to better coaching.
That squad included Keinhorst, Walters, Mullally and Garbutt, all players released by the club.
We have gone backwards since BM left. I know that is not a popular position to hold on here, but that is how see it.'"
Think Sinfield has been misquoted there. Yes I know better, but only because Hetherington announced it the other year about Hall and Watkins been our registered Marquee, due to only £100k of their salary counting on the cap as club developed.
We haven’t gone backwards, and we haven’t gone forwards as we haven’t improved the players. We couldn’t go any more backwards than where we were this time last season. The club was destroyed under McDermotts stewardship, but Hetherington should be held equally responsible for that, for letting him do it.
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| Quote The Eagle="The Eagle"I'm disappointed that he has been sacked. It's a bad start to the season but we've seen a slight upturn in results. I'm a season of rebuilding there are going to be bumps.
However, those saying he is a scapegoat are a little wide if the mark. In the games I've seen the players don't seem bothered, and the defense in the middle and in the line is woeful.
Both of those lie with the coach I'm afraid. We have a squad full of rubbish, but it's not the worst group of players in the competition. As a coach he has to get the most out of his squad. He hasn't done that, not even close'"
How do you do that without the backing of the management? I mean it doesn’t look like they have backed him. Perhaps certain players knew this, and hence the lack of desire and effort.
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| Good luck with Agar, he took us from a top 4 club to a bottom 4 one in 2 years, knackered Wakefield and Warrington. How he gets jobs is a mystery, he needs write books on job interviews. Hetheringtons love him tho!!
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| Quote Cherry_&_White="Cherry_&_White"100%
I think the only possible caveat is that I'm not sure how well his approach would work straight away with a team without the quality or character required to be the best, if that's what the problem is at Leeds. The demands he makes on his players are massive, which is exactly what you need, but maybe that sort of shock therapy would be counter-productive to begin with for a team on its backside. The 'lesser' players that Wigan had in later years were still brought into the culture that had been there for years, lead by O'Loughlin & others, and then it was up to the new fella to step up. Not so easy to build a culture like that from scratch.
That said, totally agree with what you say, there's no doubt in my mind that he would be successful in the medium & long term at Leeds if he goes there. Hopefully his reputation as a knuckle-dragging thug who hates everything outside of a WN postcode will mean someone else gets the job!'"
lead by sol and others,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, leeds have no leaders
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| Quote Cherry_&_White="Cherry_&_White"100%
I think the only possible caveat is that I'm not sure how well his approach would work straight away with a team without the quality or character required to be the best, if that's what the problem is at Leeds. The demands he makes on his players are massive, which is exactly what you need, but maybe that sort of shock therapy would be counter-productive to begin with for a team on its backside. The 'lesser' players that Wigan had in later years were still brought into the culture that had been there for years, lead by O'Loughlin & others, and then it was up to the new fella to step up. Not so easy to build a culture like that from scratch.
That said, totally agree with what you say, there's no doubt in my mind that he would be successful in the medium & long term at Leeds if he goes there. Hopefully his reputation as a knuckle-dragging thug who hates everything outside of a WN postcode will mean someone else gets the job!'"
lead by sol and others,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, leeds have no leaders
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| It is the first time we have had Marquee players , Hall and Watkins have never been on more than 150K . I would think Merrin and Hurrel are on 250K plus , of which only 150K for each player is counted in the salary cap .
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| Richard Agar? Gentlemen, if you thought your plight couldn't get any worse, it just has.
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| Quote ploinerrhino="ploinerrhino"It is the first time we have had Marquee players , Hall and Watkins have never been on more than 150K . I would think Merrin and Hurrel are on 250K plus , of which only 150K for each player is counted in the salary cap .'"
Your wrong. Look back on the YEP. And your miles off Halls wage there. Hall and Watkins only £100k counted on cap.
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| Quote Gotcha="Gotcha"Your wrong. Look back on the YEP. And your miles off Halls wage there. Hall and Watkins only £100k counted on cap.'"
You’re not wrong here. Plus, Watkins partly funded on a central contract so less on the cap, plus England international which is more off the cap.
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| I'm very surprised, but I guess something had to give. Phil Gould a while ago said that it just sometimes reaches a point when players stop playing and its them or the coach. Its happened quickly this time, but you wonder if the same thing was happening under BM as well.
Now the onus is well and truly on the players. We've been terrible for almost two full years, and 3 out of the last 4, with a chunk of the squad here over the whole period.
That means only one of two things - either the players that are playing badly are genuinely not good enough, or they simply haven't been putting in the effort. Regardless of which is the answer to that one any players in either camp need to be got rid of over time - we don't want sub-par players and we definitely do not want players who only play when they want to.
How the team plays in the near future will tell us a lot about which camp some of our apparent duffers are in.
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| Quote Frosties.="Frosties."You’re not wrong here. Plus, Watkins partly funded on a central contract so less on the cap, plus England international which is more off the cap.'"
I think it was the 2016 season where Hetherington made the statement. Pointing out Marquee could be overseas or club developed that you needed to nominate. We had gone the club trained due to less counting on the cap, and he named who we had registered. He said we had Watkins and then we were switching to Hall, or other way around. You had to nominate each season.
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