I get what he means. Whilst Cas have done some really good stuff and even took us to the cleaners I wouldn't rule us out in a big contest like a final/semi vs them.



Wigan haven't fielded near their strongest side I agree but then again their style allows 'inferior' squad players to come in and nothing much changes so absence of players isn't as bad as it is as say Leeds who rely on key individuals.



Ateotd I don't think there's a big gap between teams compared to say several years ago when Saints and Leeds were well ahead of the rest in 07-09.

I would say Wigan are ahead of everyone with a near full team on the pitch but with them struggling a bit with injuries it has brought them into the pack.



Like you say, Cas great to watch but still need to prove themselves when it matters.



There isn't a right lot to fear from the rest of the league at the minute so it is looking fairly open for at least a couple of play off spots.

I say Wigam's biggest strength is also perhaps their greatest weakness. Yes when injury strikes they can carry on with little disruption whereas Leeds go for a style reliant on being close to their strongest 17.......but look at the final 20 mins of the 2015 GF, was their any individual magic from Wigan or just the structure trying hopelessly???

If structure gave Flower the instinct to put that kick up, then I'd like to see that session with Wane.

Sorry to be picky but i thought it was Clubb??

It was. A career-defining moment

I did not come looking for an argument, simply questioning the rationale. In terms of the league I think it's too early to read much into it.



Personally I think Cas look a different prospect this year and are playing for each other, so it could be naive to write them off on big games. But then again, I accept that bubble could burst.



In terms of Wigan, this may be my hope/bias but it does not look like the Wigan of old in terms of structured boring play and do believe when bodies are back (Bateman, Farrell, Budgie) that we should be a dangerous proposition. But like I said, I may be a little bias...

I know what you're saying, but Wigan have come a long way since that season. The way I remember it, it took a pretty monumental effort from a great Leeds team to stop us from winning that game, and there's been lots of development in our strike players since then. I think that the end of last season and the start of this one shows we can play some good attacking stuff with a semi-fit team. The structure just keeps us competitive when the kids are out.



Anyway, back to Friday's game, have to say I'm much less confident than I was 2-3 weeks ago. You've obviously responded very well to the Cas result, and we've hit a bit of a wall. Given the troops we've got coming back, I'll say Wigan by 6, but doubt there will be much in it wither way.

I always feel that at Leeds the crowd play a bigger part in the decision making by the officials than anywhere else in the league. I mean this as a compliment. The crowd is large and loud and gets behind the team and that makes it a tough place to win. We have lost the last five at your place and I'm never confident regardless of form.



The 2012 result (when Wigan got 50+) was an outlier, games are usually tight, it could come down to a bit of brilliance or luck or a decision. I predicted Leeds to make the top 4 and I've seen nothing to change my view. I must say I like the look of Parcell, could be a big signing for Leeds.

Sorry, you are quite correct.



I was too busy laughing my head off when that happened.

When i they rely on structure it's not s crtiticism. It's anything but. It allows Wigan to introduce young players, helps them deal with injuries and in the long hard slog of s season we have it's necessary to win.



Was are a Powell side. But so were Leeds in 2003. As a team they aren't good defensively they give away a lot of ball, and so will struggle in tight gsmes. In open games they are very good in attack.



There are flaws at both Wigan and Cas who have looked much better than everyone else.

I've been very impressed with the form of George Williams this year.

The departure of Matty Smith has put more responsibility on his shoulders & he's responded excellently.

If we can control him & limit his attacking threat then we we can win.

Paramount in that is discipline, give away needless & penalties & concede territory & we'll struggle.