So in 2012, they beat four of the best other 8 sides in SL to win the trophy?



I'd say that's a pretty good Cup run, about as difficult as you're going to get given other top teams are likely to draw each other.



Likewise 2009, with three of the other top six sides in the competition.

Meh in 2012 against Hudds in the semi. Hudds went in having lost 7 of their last 8 league games since Brown announced his departure at the end of the year and they were abysmal at that point in time. Bradford at home, you'd fancy any of the big 4 to win that comfortably.



They beat Wigan in 2009, but that was the Brian Noble Wigan. Not the Maguire/Wane Wigan, big difference.

I saw him at Slam Dunk music festival in Leeds yesterday, which might provide further ammunition to some, depending on your views of him. Either that, or he has a Yorkshire-based double who is also sporting a year-round tan...

..and yet on the previous page there is one of your usual long winded posts that is purely dedicated to whether Smith is a good coach or not that doesn't deal with the original question.



Threads drift, often due to your contribution.



Deal with it.

Really? Show us what post I made originally before you chipped in with your defence of Smith that wasn't me talking about squad building/make-up issues regarding Smirh?

What exactly was I defending Smith against? I made a post lauding his abilities as a coach. You responded with the post below. Therefore you were as guilty as I of thread drift. You then waffle on complaining about thread drift.

Why don't you quote my first post of the thread? You know the one that was actually about the issue being discussed about squad development and what not? The one you could only reply to with a "......but, but, but......look at his trophies, he's great"



Then I offered the reply you just posted above in response to you stubborn refusal to comment on the issue being discussed. It's noted that after several post you've yet to be able to offer any support to Smith in terms of squad development even though that's the topic we were trying to discuss until you tried derailing with "but he's won X amount of titles"

I went on thread drift. So did you.



I'll quote what I won't and post what I want. You don't have to reply but I certainly don't have to stick to whatever topic or content you want to discuss.



In terms of squad development Smith has developed several squads over the years that have gone on to win trophies. That's an important development.

I think it’s hard to compare the Smith era at Leeds with that at Wire since Smith inherited a once in a generation group of young players at Leeds in the likes of Sinfield/McGuire/Burrow etc. The squad at Warrington wasn’t at the same level when he arrived there and it takes years for a youth system to bear fruit – even then getting 6 or 7 top players through in one go is extremely rare.



He’s had to work with existing players at Warrington and buy others. That’s always going to have mixed results. Considering his success in the cup and generally making Warrington much better than under Cullen he’s done a good job.

Whilst I agree in general, despite beating Leeds twice, I think they have underperformed in their other games where they have 6 wins and 7 losses and their +66 points difference is boosted by an 80-0 win against Wakefield.

Warrington are fifth, with three fewer wins than Leeds. When the top eight format starts Leeds will be playing them again and perhaps in the playoffs and or the cup.



I'm more worried about Smith's game plan against us this year than I am his other inconsistent results. They are still likely to have a big say in where the silver wear goes.,

in 4 years McDermott has won two grand finals and a challenge cup is he the better coach?