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| Quote nantwichexile="nantwichexile"Whatever Buderus did do for the club (and he did plenty of course) I don't consider his mentoring role was anthing to trumpet about. Do you see any vast improvement in McShane's consisency ?? He doesn't appear to have benefitted from Buderus's sagacity in any significant way
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| Quote Andy Gilder="Andy Gilder"You can lead a player to a good teacher, but you can't make him listen and learn.'"
Flip it.
Just because you were one hell of a player doesn't by default make you the guru of teaching.
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| Quote Andy Gilder="Andy Gilder"You can lead a player to a good teacher, but you can't make him listen and learn.'"
Hence the absurdity of successive governments' policy to batter teachers with the ofsted snapshot on the day and trumpeted league tables' misguided importance mantra.
Making a teacher in a financially stretched school with poor resources and huge class numbers responsible for the failings of numpty, brain-dead kids and hopeless non supportive parents is one of the biggest state crimes of recent years.
Now they're talking about paying teachers on the basis of their pupils' exams successes....which sane, right minded teacher is going to want to take on a set of deprived, parental unsupported inner city school kids ?
Who is going to want the renowned thickoes from the earlier schooling years, fictitious for this posting, Johnny and Phoebe, in their class? Bluddy barmy. 
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| Darcy Lussick and David Stagg/Tony Williams/Dene Halatau pls
Id rather have Steve Turner or Anthony Quinn than David Williams and Moltzen over Minnichiello - purely on utility.
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| Sika Manu stands out a mile in that list, though I imagine he'll be in demand and therefore unaffordable.
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| Quote craigizzard="craigizzard"Sika Manu stands out a mile in that list, though I imagine he'll be in demand and therefore unaffordable.'"
Sika Note more like. Vastly overrated in my opinion - and certainly not worth the money he would expect. I think Manu is one of those 'slightly better than average' players who are made to look great playing in the best structure in the game - and guided around the park by Smith, Cronk and Slater.
Bellamy is the master of getting the most out of these players by using such a good structure and the nouse and skill of Smith, Slater and Cronk. Adam Blair is a much better player than Manu and he is struggling at the Tigers now that he isn't in the Melbourne machine. Bellamy must have been laughing is c0ck off at the money Wests have paid Blair, knowing he could replace him with another 'plodder' who will do pretty much just the same job.
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| Quote Superted="Superted"Quote Superted="craigizzard"Sika Manu stands out a mile in that list, though I imagine he'll be in demand and therefore unaffordable.'"
Sika Note more like. Vastly overrated in my opinion - and certainly not worth the money he would expect. I think Manu is one of those 'slightly better than average' players who are made to look great playing in the best structure in the game - and guided around the park by Smith, Cronk and Slater.
Bellamy is the master of getting the most out of these players by using such a good structure and the nouse and skill of Smith, Slater and Cronk. Adam Blair is a much better player than Manu and he is struggling at the Tigers now that he isn't in the Melbourne machine. Bellamy must have been laughing is c0ck off at the money Wests have paid Blair, knowing he could replace him with another 'plodder' who will do pretty much just the same job.'"
I've thought the same about Saints in the past. They have been one of the best structured sides of recent years, with players able to slot into a role comfortably. Obvioulsy they have some class players, but because of the structure played by the team, even when the likes of Roby or Graham were absent their understudies usually fitted in pretty well. THey have gone away from this recently I think
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| Quote Superted="Superted"Sika Note more like. Vastly overrated in my opinion - and certainly not worth the money he would expect. I think Manu is one of those 'slightly better than average' players who are made to look great playing in the best structure in the game - and guided around the park by Smith, Cronk and Slater.
Bellamy is the master of getting the most out of these players by using such a good structure and the nouse and skill of Smith, Slater and Cronk. Adam Blair is a much better player than Manu and he is struggling at the Tigers now that he isn't in the Melbourne machine. Bellamy must have been laughing is c0ck off at the money Wests have paid Blair, knowing he could replace him with another 'plodder' who will do pretty much just the same job.'"
Both Manu and Blair have looked considerably more than "plodders" when playing for NZ. It's not all down to Bellamy.
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| Quote craigizzard="craigizzard"Quote craigizzard="Superted"Sika Note more like. Vastly overrated in my opinion - and certainly not worth the money he would expect. I think Manu is one of those 'slightly better than average' players who are made to look great playing in the best structure in the game - and guided around the park by Smith, Cronk and Slater.
Bellamy is the master of getting the most out of these players by using such a good structure and the nouse and skill of Smith, Slater and Cronk. Adam Blair is a much better player than Manu and he is struggling at the Tigers now that he isn't in the Melbourne machine. Bellamy must have been laughing is c0ck off at the money Wests have paid Blair, knowing he could replace him with another 'plodder' who will do pretty much just the same job.'"
Both Manu and Blair have looked considerably more than "plodders" when playing for NZ. It's not all down to Bellamy.'"
I don't think either have looked brilliant on the international stage - certainly not against Australia anyway.
I'm not saying they are plodders, infact I said Manu was slightly above average, and that Blair was even better - but, they are both made to look considerably better than they actually are by playing under Bellamys structure. Blair has been average at best all season with the Tigers - if he was as good as people thought, he'd still be running good lines and beating defenders, but the truth is, this year he has looked every bit a plodder - and yes this may be because he's settling in to his new team - but alot of it is down to not having the structure and Smith, Slater and Cronk creating space and quick plays for him to run at the back of the ruck.
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| Quote rhino2009="rhino2009"Minichiello is about the same age as Webb but is a much better fullback. He's having a great season in the NRL and with all his experience in Grand Finals, SOO and Tests he will be able to pass it on to our young backs. I think similar to the role that Buderus performed.'"
Light the blue touch paper and stand well back......................
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| Hopefully keep lunt if he keeps up this form
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