Walters is a bit of a strange one. Upper body doesn't look massively different to what it was, but below the waist it looks like he's had an ar$e transplant from Kim Kardashian.

He's got nothing on Gary Pearce who played for Hull FC in late 80's/early 90's. He looked like a Russian doll that had had a few top-half layers removed

Just to be straight he, I never said that.



Kids are in the gym themselves from that age, trying to build for an advantage. Usually the ones who are more focused on making a career out of it.



Most studies say now if you want to build, then you should start from puberty, if you want to fulfill full muscle potential. Starting from late teens would not fulfill the same effect. It's up to the person after all, and I agree it should be under supervision.



The point that was more made though is that just because someone is you get does not mean their physical strength is less than that years older. Yes they could get muscle advantage further, but they may still be starting from an advantageous position. The obsession on her for people to immediately say someone needs to be bigger just by their age, doesn't fit for me.

Think you could be right. Hope so, we have to take something into next season, so knocking a few over in the top 8 as we get players back could be the way.

It's not an obsession it's just common sense. I'd say the club was in the best position to decide and they generally don't throw the young lads in if can be helped.



I think the obsession (and this isn't meant as a dig or a start to a big argument but genuine comment) comes from you. You have a vested interest in the academy as we've seen and I'd suggest your desire (and apparent closeness to some) to see lads you rate get a chance at SL level leads to an impatience/frustration that you want to throw them in more quickly than most would and will argue against common sense caution about bulking up and size at a teenage age.

Exactly, so which is it, common sense or the club? The club haven't said he needs to bulk up now. So when you say common sense who are you referring?









I am not going to argue with that, as it may well come across as that. Although I have called for players I don't know at all, other than their skill set, so not restricted to known players. However, that said, I think you are wrong, and players can be more than ready, regardless of age. As an example, I saw it on here last week regarding Cameron with regards physically ready. He is currently lifting weights in the top five at the club, and apparently touching 100kgs, in his weight. I would back Cameron for physical strength, than say someone like Keinhorst any day. But does anyone have concerns for Keinhorst in the pack?



I don't want to throw anyone in, and Infact back to Cameron I did say this week in an ideal world you want to introduce him in a full team, not a scratch one. To me you gently ease them in young over a longer period, rather than hold back and throw in when older expecting them to adjust quickly.



As another example, Jack Walker has been put on a longer term building programme, and the club are right there, has he just doesn't have the frame yet.

Not at all but Alex in particular hasn't the build or power imo that's ready for SL

Its all well & good wanting our jnrs to get games i back it 100% but some just aren't ready & id put AS in that category.

Alex is a huge frame under there. But we were talking about next season anyway in this, not now.

Fair doos this where though i think we need reserve grade especially for kids not on loan/dual reg.

I agree.

Exactly, but Hetherington has done everything in his powers to stop it happening. I believe Jamie Peacock has now come round to "the reserves" way of thinking and is hoping for HKR to field a team there next season.

the game in this country does not have the depth of quality necessary for a reserves league. The quality of the reserves league is absolutely atrocious.