Interesting, both always seemed well thought of at the club and I thought Steve may be someone who would be fast tracked further up the pyramid.

Seems the club thought otherwise .

Scrimshaw has gone also. He is coaching Siddal next year.



I know it was said the club thought none of the released should be anywhere near professional clubs and certainly on nowhere near the money they was on at the club.



The scholarship and U16s will be under a lot more scrutiny next year from the powers that be that's a certainty.

There has been a cliquiness to the set up for a long time and I'm surprised if a couple of other names remain.

I don’t agree at with that comment at all Marty I feel Rob and the 19s (18s) will be under far more pressure based on

How backwards player development has gone at that age level . Glaring obvious just watching games over the course of Robs tenure . You can only hide behind being a playing legend for so long .

Agreed and the club say they have sorted it through their actions of releasing fox and cook. Time will tell

I can assure you the 16s will be under more scrutiny next year. They are going to watched like hawks every single day by the hierarchy. Every training session never mind every game.



With regards to the 19s under Rob this year they would've won the grand final in my opinion had players not being loaned out, injured and moved up. Rob was left with hardly any of his players for half a season so not fair to judge.

Time will tell Marty let’s see what happens but when I spoke to

Senior figure at the club at the weekend it’s the 19s they are far more concerned with believe me . Using the excuse of not having loan players has fallen on deaf ears . I’ll hold my hands up if I’m wrong but let’s see what happens over the coming months for the 19s and 16s . If you think that Cook and Fox would put the 16s under pressure your blinded by your friendship towards them both? Not only me that think the 16s coaching is far superior to the 19s scroll back pages .

In truth I hardly know Steve Fox and Cook other than to say hi to but the coaching isn't the reason the 16s will be more scrutinised than the 18s next year.

Don't fully understand the view on Fox and Cook to be honest. They have been there a few years now. Surely someone could have realised long before now if they were not up to it. I know Fox from working with Oulton previously, as does Seth, and I would certainly disagree with anyone questioning his ability, because he was always a damn good coach from what I saw. Of course that doesn't make him professional club standard. I would suggest it possibly might be more to do with the apparent dry up of talent coming through the Oulton club over last couple of years, and therefore no need for the influence.



Scrimshaw was only really ever took on to form that partnership with the Siddal club to try and get the best players at the club. As I said the other year when they took him on, it was a shame their number one target throughout it all was missed out on.

Think you have hit the nail on the head Gotcha I don’t know or care about Fox and cook?? they have gone but for Marty to say it puts the 16s under the pump for me is way off ?? I’m told fox and cook should have been removed years back but because both were ‘in' with people at the club they stayed .Kevs come in will have observed at all levels and he’s made the decision he has regarding both their futures at the club i think that puts within all doubt that they weren't good enough to coach in a professional environment. (We must speak to different people at Oulton in ref to mr Fox’s coaching ability) but it’s done they have gone by due diligence I’d like to think Kev and the club would do things correctly and im sure if Butterill wasn't good enough he would have gone? . Scrimshaw was in to get Holroyd not smithies . 72 tackles is brilliant really is but didn’t he only make something like 34 meters in 14 carries? Great player though but you can’t always get them all(and would he have developed in our current first team and academy set up?) . Big off season at all levels I’m sure the he said she said will die down shortly once announcements are made .