and remember 07 and 08 and 011 and 012 we were 2nd favourites we went in with nothing to lose attitude no cockiness

Well back then it was saints who were cocky, but they at least had cause because they were winning trophies. In fact, a common theme has been us as kind of downtrodden underdogs to a more worthy champion in the build up to the grand finals. In the lead up to last year it was arguably the same with how cas dominated.

oh yes we used to get a few on here before those GF's and 017 felt a lot like 08 .but as you say Saints of that time were not Cas of last year

I'm sure you can show plenty of evidence then. I'm fed up with this claim of cockiness of Cas fans pre-GF & excuses post-GF. Apart from wind-ups from AP I don't remember any. Cas had already shown weaknesses in their form in the play-offs & I had money on Leeds to win. There were no excuses after the stuffing. We were just crap, you were red hot. If we had played as we had earlier in the year it would have been a different story but we still wouldn't have necessarily have won.

There has always been an arrogant, smugness on this board, which I accept you have earned, but there were posters who did it with humour & intelligence, which is what attracted me to it in the first place. Most or all of them no longer post.

look you are a regular accepted member on this board and I bet you don't even diss Leeds people who don't even follow the game, JOKE .

I remember seeing plenty of Cas fans on RLFans, the Cas forum and other social media saying they were happy Leeds won the playoff SF because they knew they could beat us but wasn't as confident if Hull had made the final instead.

Newman starting in the centres for Fev today. Ormondroyd on the bench.



Lilley not even in the Leigh 19 this week. Injured or just not selected?

When I think of a big club in sports, I think of clubs like New England Patriots, Real Madrid, Manchester Utd, L.A Lakers..... let’s be honest mate, nobody south of Derby or north of York has a clue who Leeds Rhinos are.

Surely that logic was perfectly understandable . We'd lost 3 times to hull and beat you numerous times (fairly comfortably). Me personally I was very split and very nervous watching your semi as I know certain runs always come to an end. A lot of fans thought our best chance was playing you in the final, that isn't corky it just is what it is. We could have played widnes in the grand final and the slop we served up thst day would have seen us beaten by them too.

being honest I wouldn't say nobody

The majority of Cas fans were convinced that all they had to do was turn up to be crowned champions, and the grand final was nothing more than a formality and victory procession, some were wanting the trophy hamded to them halfway through the season they were so cocky, so don’t say they were not cocky, their already starting again this year saying nobody can beat them this year after a good first 20 minutes on Friday and that they simplely took the foot off the gas on friday as it was too easy, and they are not joking they believe it.



As for the grand final all I've heard from Cas fans is we only won because they simply played bad and it was just a lucky fluke win, you got Completely owned and dominated when it really mattered by a superior side. cas fans are cocky and arrogant but have done nothing of note to justify it.

CHAMPIONS 7 Years out of 11 in a salary cap sport ain't too bad!